It’s been a quieter week on the polling front in the wake of last week’s bonanza, with only the regular weekly Essential Research and fortnightly Morgan added to the mix. The new additions do nothing to halt the momentum to Labor which emerged in the previous result, with shifts of 1.3% shift on the primary vote and 0.5% on two-party preferred. The latter gain is blunted by the fact that the Greens are down 1.2%, having failed of late to replicate a series of stronger results in early to mid-November. The two-party preferred measure is now being calculated with newly available preference flow results from the September 7 election, replacing modelled preference projections used previously. This hasn’t made much difference to the national result, but it’s helped eliminate an anomalous gain for the Liberals on the seat calculation in South Australia. The other change on the seat projection is an extra gain for Labor in New South Wales. It should be noted that the model continues to leave the Coalition well ahead of Labor despite the position of near-parity on two-party preferred, indicating the impact of sophomore surge effects on the BludgerTrack model in the seats Labor most needs to win. See the sidebar for full results.
BludgerTrack: 50.3-49.7 to Coalition
After substantially narrowing last week, this week the two-party preferred poll aggregate gap all but disappears, while leaving the Coalition some breathing space on the seat projection.
Another idiot comment by Sean.
The future is set for more Hyundia & Kia, less Holden
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-07/deep-divisions-emerge-within-coalition-over-car-industry-future/5142650
zoidlord,
sometimes rather than call names you could educate yourself once in a while.
ST – Mandela was no more a terrorist than the anti-nazi and resistance fighters in Europe in WW2. I don’t think his views were much different in later years – the difference was the Apartheid regime had been brought to its knees and was prepared to negotiate a democratic outcome rather than fight on.
@Sean/2403
When you make less stupid comments then come back to me.
He continued to fight, rather than holding to random.
Wakefield,
Killing innocent people to make a political point makes you a terrorist.
It’s a little bit different from attacking an invading army.
As I said though he was a terrorist when he went to prison but had changed into an honourable man after the jail stint.
@Sean/2406
Then perhaps look at people like Bush?
ST
The Us were terrorists killing millions of innocent citizens in a war crime.
Mandela does not even come close
Sean Tisme.
For any analysis of history, you are the last person I would listen to for any intelligent discourse.
Sean Tisme@2403
truthie talking about education ?
You are doing standup comedy now.
International Relations next ?
FFS.
[Killing innocent people to make a political point makes you a terrorist.]
Generally speaking, that’s correct. When did Mandela do that, or advocate that?
I’ll share what I thought was quite funny from a book I’m currently reading:
He walked into a patch of rainforest, I stepped after him ..something invisible clawed at my cheek and hung on. I tried to pluck it off without ripping the skin only to be snared by the elbow.
‘Lawyer Vine,’ said Ken. ‘There’s a lot of it in here.’
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-12-05/republican-big-city-mayors-are-an-endangered-species
In the US the 12 biggest cities will all soon have Democrat mayors
This is linked to the large ethnic/black/hispanic populations in inner city areas…and Democrat action in taking up issues of poverty and housing
davidwh
I like the lyrics you remembered,
[Those were the days my friend
I thought they’d never end]
but
[We’d live the life we choose
We’d fight and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way]
is more to the point.
I had (have) two older sisters, and one “had to get married” in 1969.
And even though my second-oldest sister succumbed to the marriage shite, I never did. I kept up the order; they didn’t.
As I said, those lyrics radicalised me. Because, I also had three older brothers.
And we, the girls, were treated so differently, it made me want to change things in my family.
I’m happy to acknowledge my mother finally got recognition for her work over her 80-year lifetime, 40 days before she died, to be finally recognised as a half-owner of the property on which she raised us.
That was an hallejuh moment for me, mum and my younger sister. A little sisterhood moment personally.
As a bloke who has never had to fight for anything, assured as you were, and are, of a right to your parents hard work, you probably can’t appreciate it. But that was a super victory for acknowledgement of women’s work in our family.
Well I’m glad you asked Psephos! I know the left are experts in historical revision and have got in early, but history books aren’t always as kind.
Heres one to get you started:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe
@Sean/2415
I noticed you started using wikipedia as your primary source of information, soon as one of the liberal ministers sourced it….
Good Headline
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-07/deep-divisions-emerge-within-coalition-over-car-industry-future/5142650
Yes, Sean, I’m familiar with the history of UwZ. It did carry out acts that could fairly be called terrorist, in the 1980s. But by that time Mandela had been in prison for 20 years and had nothing to do with UwZ. There were, and still are, two factions in the ANC. The Communists (SACP), with whom Mandela was aligned although not a Party member, were always opposed to terrorism. The Black nationalists, influenced in the 1970s by the PLO and other terrorist groups, favoured terrorism, and they had control of UwZ or at least acted in its name. I don’t believe anyone has shown that Mandela personally ever carried out, ordered or approved terrorist attacks – that is, attacks which had as their purpose the killing of civilians.
davidwh
How’s the grandparenting going, by the way?
(Another token of my mother’s legacy)
guytaur@2417
Its *interesting* on a number of levels.
Macfarlane from all accounts negotiated in good faith on the original ETS on behalf of the tories and then had it all switched on him.
Is this a replay ?
Long may the tories stab each other in the back – they all have it coming!
@guytaur/2417
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-07/an-asia-pacific-leaders-meet-to-discuss-free-trade/5142658
I think this is just importent to note here, as it effects manufacturing in AU (See South Korea signing up).
Christ, Tisme is flogging himself as an historian now.
Presumably Tisme is an historian in the same way that he’s an economist, an immigration expert, a foreign affairs afficionado, statistician, skilled in matters relating to indigenous reconciliation, and polling expert.
AMAZING NEWS RE CARBON TAX…FROM THE USA
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IN AN ARTICLE FROM”THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE” A WRITER ARGUES THAT MAJOR US COMPANIES,NOTABLY IN THE ENERGY INDUSTRY ARE PREPARIKNG FOR A CARBON TAX
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He urges conservatives not to simply oppose this as it has already much support and the Republicans will find themselves isolated as public opinion becomes more alarmed over climate change and demanding government action
This may come as a shock to Abbott and Co !
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/companies-and-conservatives-prepare-for-oncoming-carbon-taxes/
confessions 2422
…and a physicist specialising in the harmless effects of radiation 😉
I imagine Sean writes his own entries in Wikipedia and then quotes himself. Tony tried doing that too, but all he could manage was to drag his knuckles across the keyboard. Peta had to complete it for him.
zoidlord… while your on your history lesson you should check out who introduced the White Australia policy… it’s a doozy mate
Sean, before you change the subject, do you have a response to my #2418?
Zoidlord
Careful there baby sean is calling you mate, never know where that might lead to 😀
Mr and Mrs Curie had no need of bedside lamps.
Night all.
@Sean/2426
And who introduced Paulene Hanson, stop using excuses sean.
Oh,
Another right winger wants to hide from the media:
Japan passes secret law…
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/06/us-japan-secrets-idUSBRE9B50JT20131206
This will happen here, because Abe is a right winger.
[Carey Moore
Posted Saturday, December 7, 2013 at 10:21 pm | PERMALINK
confessions 2422
…and a physicist specialising in the harmless effects of radiation]
You can’t help commenting, can you.
Take your own advice, and your advice to us. Stop commenting on the dickwit.
Tisme, I’m not quite sure why you think pointing out that Labor has moved on while the Liberals haven’t helps your argument :P.
Kezza2, you’d be a lot happier if you dropped your obsession with me.
As flattered as I am, it’s not good for you.
Sean Tisme@2426
Its also a doozy that the Qld rednecks who vote tory want White Australia policy back! As did hanson.
Like you regarding your attitude to Indonesians.
Mendacious.
Psephos
The New York Times may have noted your points on Mandela today 😉
@nytimes: Disappointment in Successors to Nelson Mandela, a Revered Father of a Nation http://t.co/tOI1AqRkhb
I agree with Paul Keating.
The obsessiveness with Australia’s identity at Gallipoli is such a sad indictment on us all. When you consider it was just a Keith Murdoch invention to keep up Aussie spirits (Keating didn’t say that, I did).
But Keating was right, Australia’s identity was made in New Guinea.
My child’s grandfather fought at Milne Bay, didn’t see Kokoda, but always felt that Australia won its place there.
And I agree with Keating. Gallipoli was supreme British folly, and we have no more right to think Australia earned its badge of separation from Britain no more then what we let on the fields of Flanders.
Geez Keating was special.
Like Gillard, we were so lucky to have a renegade like Keating in our favour.
White Australia ended decades ago. It’s silly to use it against a modern political party (at least the mainstream ones.)
carey moore
I’m not unhappy with you.
Just take your own advice.
And stop pontificating to the rest of us.
Then, maybe, you’d be a lot happier.
that honest Abe?
Dishonest Abo
Phonetic spelling apparently coming back…that would be dishonest abbott with the silent t like the p in mixed bathing
[The New York Times may have noted your points on Mandela today]
Yes, they rang me in the middle of the night to ask what they should say. They always forget about time differences.
No response from Sean as usual when his Young Lib talking points are refuted. He’s a coward as well as a fool. He should go far in the Liberal Party.
Kezza 2436
Cannot agree New Guinea ,prefer Middle East Desert Rats.
Family did middle east 9th Division, also Milne Bay,Finchhaven , two parachuted there without training
US Low Paid workers and “Strikesgiving” win some battles against the major stores
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A quite historic battle is being fought out in many US cities against the terrible treatment of workers in low-paid jobs in many big chains like Walmart
http://socialistworker.org/2013/12/04/on-the-line-for-strikesgiving
Looking at the weather forecast for Adelaide in the next couple of days, why on Earth didn’t Michael Clarke enforce the follow on? Attack the English at the end of the day and then two days to bowl out the English, with little chance of them getting 399 runs to force Australia to bat again.
@Psephos/2443
Abe & Abbott have simular attributes, unfortunately, both are duds, requires kiss footing the Americans, and screwing it’s own citizens.
[2406
Sean Tisme
Wakefield,
Killing innocent people to make a political point makes you a terrorist.]
By this reckoning, the apartheid regime was run by terrorists.
@mrbenjaminlaw: Photo of the day. http://t.co/t9OO7HeM2M
Steve777@2446
To give the bowlers a bit of a break ‘apparently’.
3rd Test starts 3 days after the end of the current one.
Lets hope the poms don’t score a draw somehow and that their own media are kicking them in the goolies.