The Abbott government’s mediocre post-election polling record takes a considerable turn for the worse today with the publication of the first Fairfax/Nielsen poll since the election, which is the Coalition’s worst result from Nielsen since the 2010 election campaign, or from any poll at all since the months immediately following. The poll has Labor with a two-party lead of 52-48, from primary votes of 41% for the Coalition, 37% for Labor, 11% for the Greens, 5% for independents (an unorthodox inclusion) and 6% for others. Bill Shorten scores remarkably strongly on his debut personal ratings, with approval at 51% and disapproval at 30%, while Tony Abbott manages a tepid 47% approval and 46% disapproval. However, Abbott holds a 49-41 lead as preferred prime minister.
Full tables including state breakdowns are available courtesy of GhostWhoVotes, and they offer at least some ammunition for those of a mind to be skeptical about the result. With due consideration to the fact that an element of wonkiness can be expected from small state-level samples, there are approximate two-party preferred swings to Labor of 2% in New South Wales, 4% in Victoria and 1.5% in South Australia, all of which are easy enough to believe. However, in both Queensland and Western Australia the swings are 11%, the former result coming less than two weeks after an 800-sample poll by Galaxy showed no swing at all. It’s tempting to infer that Nielsen struck Labor-heavy samples in these states, and that had it been otherwise the result would have been more like 50-50.
A more technical observation to be made about the result is that the two-party preferred figures are based on respondent-allocated preferences, whereas Nielsen’s topline numbers are usually based on preference flows from the previous election. This no doubt is because the Australian Electoral Commission still hasn’t published Coalition-versus-Labor two-party results from the 11 seats where other candidates made the final count (I’m told they are likely to do so later this week). However, I have one model for allocating preferences based on the information available from the election, which gets Labor’s two-party vote to 51.7%, and Kevin Bonham has two, which get it to 51.2% and 51.4%.
The Nielsen poll also probed into the hot topics of asylum seekers and abolition of the carbon and mining taxes. Only 42% expressed approval for the government’s handling of asylum seekers versus 50% disapproval though as Psephos notes in comments, this fails to disentangle those who support their objectives from those who don’t (a ReachTEL poll conducted on Thursday night asked whether the policies were working, and found only 28% thought they were compared with 49% who thought they weren’t). The results on the mining tax were evenly balanced, with 46% saying Labor should support its repeal in parliament versus 47% opposed. The carbon tax at least remains a winner for the government, with 57% saying Labor should vote for its abolition and 38% saying it should oppose it.
In other news, Christian Kerr of The Australian reports on Newspoll analysis of the effect on polling of households without landlines. This was determined through online polling between March and August of nearly 10,000 respondents who were also asked about the state of their household telecommunications. In households without landlines, Coalition support was found to be 1.4% lower, Labor 0.2% lower, the Greens 1.3% higher and others 0.2% higher. However, Newspoll’s online polling itself seemed to be skewed to Labor, who came in 4.7% higher than in Newspoll’s landline polling over the same period. This was mostly at the expense of others, which was 4.7% lower, while the Coalition was 0.6% higher and the Greens 1.0% lower. By way of comparison, the online polling of Essential Research over the same period compared with Newspoll’s phone polling as follows: Labor 2.1% higher, the Coalition 3.2% higher, Greens 2.8% lower and others 2.5% lower.
UPDATE: Channel Seven reports that long-awaited ReachTEL result has the Coalition leading 51-49, but unfortunately no further detail is provided. Results earlier released by Seven from the poll include the aforementioned finding that only 28% believe the government’s new policies to stop boat arrivals were working versus 49% who don’t; that 56% say the government should announce boat arrivals when they happenl that 53% think the Prime Minister should deliver the explanation for spying activities demanded by Indonesia, while 34% say he shouldn’t; and that 38% support Australia’s bugging activities with 39% opposed. The poll is an automated phone poll conducted on Thursday evening, presumably from a sample of about 3000.
UPDATE 2: And now Generic Leftist relates on Twitter that Peter Lewis of Essential Research relates on The Drum that tomorrow’s Essential poll will have Labor up a point on the primary vote to 36%, but with two-party preferred steady at 53-47 to the Coalition.
Brokenshire suspends staff member who leaked the ABC salaries.
[MP Robert Brokenshire has suspended a staff member after the salaries of high-profile ABC journalists and managers were leaked.
The Former Liberal state MP-turned Family First said three staff members were involved in the embarrassing leak.
Mr Brokenshire said he had suspended one staffer while he decided what to do, and was taking further advice on what potential disciplinary action may be available. He also apologised to ABC staff.]
Good night all.
Speaking of Newspoll, is there any evidence it will be released tonight? Last year they often avoided releasing in the same week as Nielsen.
Night Boerwar.
Qanda now doing sideshow on federal politics. Ending the year the way it began.
KB
Someone heard Malcolm Farr on radio saying its released tomorrow
Today …the ABC PM Program on Geelongs’ election mayoral election
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I need my Monday Night Newspoll Pick-me-up
poroti will look on laptop tomorrow as have turned off now
More about Geelong..and a famous song too __
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[Speaking of Newspoll, is there any evidence it will be released tonight?]
No hard evidence that I’m aware of. Could be that they’te timing it so the next poll coincides with parliament resuming.
Diogenes,
[Bolt is in a full on war with the ABC and Fairfax.]
Bolt, like most polemicists, is only – and has only ever been – at war with his own imagination.
“War” implies his views have some form of logic or relevance. I think it is high time that he and his delusions are left be. Bolt is hardly the only guilty candidate, however.
I quite liked the cut of Tara Moss’ jib on Q & A
lateline also doing a climate change story with evidence from Antarctica.
[I need my Monday Night Newspoll Pick-me-up]
Well all you’ll get here is a warm cup of shut the fuck up.
@Bugler/1012
However, Bolt is one of the extremists though.
btw, someone can guess where this comes from ? ‘War. War never changes.’?
See if someone can guess this quiz.
Apparently more complex schools will receive more funding. What the heck is more complex?
“@LaraGiddings: NBN, NDIS & Gonski Better Schools Plan – what will the Liberals try to get out of next?”
1017
“Complex” usually means disadvantaged. The Liberals do not really want disadvantaged schools to compete with the advantaged schools (where the Liberals and their ilk send their children).
Goodnight
1018
Hopefully, actually being in Government!
@MH/1017
I guess that is new word instead of “Calibre” ?
Pyne stuffing up on Gonski, with all the interested LNP States and the Catholics not backing his intention to renegotiate the funding. Another spectacular own goal from the LNP. They just dont get that being in Government is different from being in Opposition. Minor stuff like the rule of Law and rock solid Federal-State funding agreements.
Tom
I’m curious where did you get that from?
[“@LaraGiddings: NBN, NDIS & Gonski Better Schools Plan – what will the Liberals try to get out of next?”]
Tasmania
@Sean/1025
Liberals are full in Tasmania, hard to get out of Tasmania unless it’s by a boat load?
Sean
But what about Eric, o poor Eric will be so sad to hear that Sean seeks to get rid of him.
Tom & zoid
Hard to know exactly what is meant by the LNP on better education. I have to agree with an earlier poster who suggested Pyne is not the person to front any issue as sensitive.
Just heard Pyne refused to appear on Lateline, typical.
52-48
Ghost has tweeted Newspoll 52-48 to coalition.
zoidlord,
Tasmania’s economy under the Greens-Labor Economic Utopia is a basketcase.
Lara isn’t a position to give lectures on anything, her government is a like a leach on the Australian economy and finances. 8.6% Unemployment there last time I checked, well done Lara!
[GhostWhoVotes @GhostWhoVotes 1m
#Newspoll Primary Votes: L/NP 43 (-2) ALP 35 (+3) GRN 10 (-2) #auspol]
something looks dodgy with this math
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#Newspoll Primary Votes: L/NP 43 (-2) ALP 35 (+3) GRN 10 (-2) #auspol
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#Newspoll 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 52 (-1) ALP 48 (+1) #auspol
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Labor primary up 3 coalition down 2.
Good result for ALP.
[The Coalition plans to scrap the $500 Low Income Super Contribution for people earning less than $37,000 a year as part of its bill to repeal the mining tax.]
Of course if the coalition really cared about women in the workforce they’d hang onto those changes, rather than impose onto taxpayers a PPL scheme that manifestly benefits women in high paid, secure employment.
52% TPP to Coalition!!
Biggest turn around in TPP in 1 Day in Australian history, I eagerly await the SMH Article tomorrow stating such but I won’t hold my breath
Thanks Mod Lib
All the polls seem to show that the voters are still mostly kind to the government but there is no great love and affection for it.
@Sean/1031
Now your referring to your usual rants about Labor.
Tom the first and best
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1017
“Complex” usually means disadvantaged. The Liberals do not really want disadvantaged schools to compete with the advantaged schools (where the Liberals and their ilk send their children).
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Abbott and his front bench are products of “advantaged” schools.
Like an oxymoron isn’t it?
Thank Ghost, s/he/it always comes good around this time on Newspoll weekends!
So Nielsen isn’t close off the mark then right?
Using my technique the numbers appear to add up.
Are they using 2010 or 2013 preference distributions?
Does anyone know?
New thread.
Both Nielsen and Newspoll could be correct given the MOE I imagine.
The AEC has still not provided a national TPP result.
…..just saying…..
[http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/on-the-sledge-cricketing-insults-to-aspire-to-20131125-2y596.html]
Some of these sledges are good, but the retorts are just classic! :devil:
I suppose I am a product of an advantaged school as it is put here on PB. It doesn’t make me a mental giant (obviously) but also it never changed my position on what is a fair go for all.
Newspoll are still using 2010 preferences. I get about 51-49 from the same primaries using 2013 preference estimates (by both methods I’m using.)
No-one is replicating Nielsen but there is evidence for narrowing even without it. My aggregate’s at 50.8 now.