Newspoll and Nielsen: 54-46; Morgan: 53.5-46.5

Three more big-sample polls for those of you still wondering what the next three years might have in store. Alternatively, you could just wait a couple of hours.

The last of the major polls go as follows:

• A Newspoll survey conducted on Wednesday and Thursday from over 2500 respondents has Labor on 33%, the Coalition on 46% and the Greens on 9%, for a commanding Coalition lead of 54-46 on two-party preferred. Full breakdowns here.

• Nielsen concurs with Newspoll on both major parties’ primary votes in its poll of 1431 respondents conducted on Wednesday and Thursday, but has the Greens two points higher at 11%. Both The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald have exasperatingly declined to provide breakdowns, but from what I can gather from the printed copy, the poll has the Coalition ahead 56-44 in New South Wales and behind 51-49 in Victoria, while in Queensland Labor’s primary vote is on just 27% (under two Senate quotas, for those of you with an eye on that kind of thing).

• Morgan has a poll of 4937 respondents conducted by SMS, online and live interview phone polling which has Labor at just 31.5%, with the Coalition on 44%, the Greens on 10.5% and the Palmer United Party on 6.5%. This pans out to 53.5-46.5 on respondent-allocated preferences, but to 54.5-45.5 on the previous election preferences method used by Nielsen and Newspoll.

BludgerTrack has been updated with all of the above, and it continues to offer a rosier assessment for Labor than the betting markets in particular would suggest (though note that I’ve knocked on the head my idea of revising the preference model to grant Labor a bigger share of the Palmer United Party vote in Queensland, which has made two seats’ difference). As I’ve noted a number of times, this is mostly down to the consistent tendency of electorate-level polling to produce worse results for Labor than that national and statewide polling that are the bread and butter of BludgerTrack. To illustrate this point, and also for your general convenience, I offer below a complete listing to all such polls published during the campaign. Averages are also provided for the swings in each state, and by each pollster. What this suggests is that the automated phone polling by Galaxy, which has generally produced highly plausible results, has not been too far out of line with national polling, and it has generally offered highly plausible results. The live interview phone polling of Newspoll looks to have performed similarly, but that’s because its sample includes the unusual cases of New England and Lyne. Beyond that three automated phone pollsters who are relatively new to the game, and whose consistent findings of huge Coalition swings should accordingly be treated with caution.

Key: NP=Newspoll, RT=ReachTEL, Gal.=Galaxy, Lon.=Lonergan, JWS=JWS Research.

NEW SOUTH WALES
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Dobell/RobertsonNP	13/8	505	35	50	8	46	-7
Lindsay		Lon.	14/8	1038	32	60	3	36	-15
Lyne		NP	14/8	504	26	51	7	41	+3
New England	NP	14/8	504	24	53	5	34	+1
Kingsford Smith	RT	15/8	610	38	47	10	48	-7
McMahon		RT	15/8	631	45	50	2	47	-11
Blaxland	RT	15/8	636	50	47	3	52	-10
Bennelong	RT	15/8	631	28	64	8	35	-12
Macquarie	JWS	15/8	710	35	51	8	45	-4
Lindsay		JWS	15/8	578	35	57	3	39	-12
Greenway	JWS	15/8	570	44	46	1	51	0
Banks		JWS	15/8	542	43	50	4	47	-4
Werriwa		Gal.	20/8	548	41	48	5	48	-9
Reid		Gal.	20/8	557	38	50	9	47	-6
Parramatta	Gal.	20/8	561	44	45	4	50	-4
Lindsay		Gal.	20/8	566	41	50	3	46	-5
Greenway	Gal.	20/8	585	45	46	3	49	-2
Barton		Gal.	20/8	551	44	44	9	52	-5
Banks		Gal.	20/8	557	40	47	6	48	-3
Barton		Gal.	20/8	575	44	44	9	52	-5
Banks		Gal.	20/8	575	40	47	6	48	-3
K-S/Page/E-M	NP	26/8	601	37	47	11	48	-7
ALP marginals*	NP	26/8	800	34	52	7	43	-9
McMahon		JWS	28/8	482	44	52	3	47	-11

Average swing								-6.1

* Parramatta/Reid/Banks/Lindsay/Greenway.								

VICTORIA
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Deakin		RT	15/8	619	36	50	13	47	-4
Corangamite	RT	15/8	633	36	54	10	44	-6
Melbourne	RT	15/8	860	35	24	35
Indi		RT	15/8	611	18	47	6
Corangamite	JWS	15/8	587	36	48	10	47	-3
Aston		JWS	15/8	577	29	59	8	37	-12
La Trobe	Gal.	20/8	575	36	45	12	49	-3
Corangamite	Gal.	20/8	575	35	52	9	44	-6
Chisholm	Gal.	20/8	575	46	45	7	48	-8
ALP marginals*	NP	28/8	800	34	47	13	47	-4
McEwen		JWS	28/8	540	35	47	6	45	-14
Bendigo		JWS	28/8	588	40	40	9	51	-9

Average swing								-6.9

* La Trobe/Deakin/Corangamite								

QUEENSLAND
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Griffith	RT	05/8	702	48	43	8	46	-12
Forde		RT	08/8	725	40	48	4	46	-2
Forde		Lon.	15/8	1160	34	56	4	40	-8
Forde		JWS	15/8	568	33	54	4	40	-8
Brisbane	JWS	15/8	607	36	50	9	46	-3
LNP marginals*	NP	20/8	1382	32	54	5	40	-8
Forde		NP	20/8	502	38	48	5	46	-2
Griffith	Lon.	21/8	958	38	47	11	48	-10
Griffith	NP	22/8	500	37	48	12	48	-10
Lilley		JWS	28/8	757	40	48	5	46	-7
Griffith	JWS	28/8	551	48	40	7	57	-1
Blair		Gal.	29/8	604	39	40	8	50	-4
Dawson		Gal.	29/8	550	34	48	4	43	-5
Griffith	Gal.	29/8	655	41	37	12	54	-4
Herbert		Gal.	29/8	589	36	47	6	45	-3
ALP marginals**	NP	30/8	800	38	42	8	49	-4

Average swing								-5.9

* Brisbane/Forde/Longman/Herbert/Dawson/Bonner/Flynn/Fisher
** Moreton/Petrie/Lilley/Capricornia/Blair/Rankin/Oxley								

WESTERN AUSTRALIA
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Brand		Gal.	29/8	660	42	42	10	52	-1
Hasluck		Gal.	29/8	553	34	46	10	45	-4
Perth		Gal.	29/8	550	47	35	13	58	+2

Average swing								-1.2								

SOUTH AUSTRALIA
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Hindmarsh	Gal.	22/8	586	41	44	10	50	-6
Wakefield	Gal.	26/8	575	44	35	7	55	-6
Adelaide	Gal.	29/8	571	40	39	12	54	-4

Average swing								-5.0

TASMANIA
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Bass		RT	22/8	541	30	52	8	42	-15
Braddon		RT	22/8	588	36	51	4	43	-14
Denison		RT	22/8	563	19	24	11	
Franklin	RT	22/8	544	30	39	16	51	-10
Lyons		RT	22/8	549	30	47	11	44	-18
Bass		RT	03/9	659	28	54	10	41	-16

Average swing								-14.7

AVERAGE SWING BY POLLSTER
				N	 	 	 	 	SWING
Galaxy				22					-4.3
Newspoll			10					-4.7
JWS Research			13					-6.8
ReachTEL			16					-8.6
Lonergan			3					-11.3

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

973 comments on “Newspoll and Nielsen: 54-46; Morgan: 53.5-46.5”

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  1. It’s my initial and birthday 😛

    I’m not saying they can win lol – good lord no, I am saying that the polls are making assumptions which could prove unfounded, because we’ve not seen a vote this strong away from the majors in a long, long time.

  2. these exit polls, and tonight’s results, will show this isn’t a vote for Abbott but rather a vote against Labor – looking like the LNP primary vote will go backwards on 2010

  3. AJM

    At this stage even with those 52/48 exit polls it is looking like Tone will win although the mood seems to indicate that the voters are not breaking down the booth doors which suggests no real love or affection for Tone and Co.

  4. lefty e

    If Morgan’s exit poll 2PP is biased the same amount as last time (0.9% to ALP) then Labor gets 52.9% – which for me works out as 60 seats. Your “bet” with Mick might go down to the wire.

  5. Yep: Both ALP & LNP primary vote going backwards on 2010 a/c to exit polls – anti-ALP rather than pro-LNP ,with minors raking the dividends. The margin depends on lot on where those minor prefs go.

    But Im calling it already: this is NOT a landslide.

    Newspapers, media, pollsters: pack a pair of 2nd undies, because you and your narrative are about to look pretty bloody stupid.

  6. Just got back from doing handing-out-HTV duty – yes, I know, I resigned from said duty in a hissy fit the other night, but I recanted – and, as usual, had a pretty good time.

    It’s really the only time I can bear being within an inch of Coalition folk, and vice versa for them. It’s all very jolly bonhomie, hail fellow, well met, good cheer kind of stuff.

    The bloke from the DLP (I’m pretty sure it was Frank McManus) had us all on our toes. Poor fellow had set up at the wrong hall and didn’t catch on till about 10am that the booth was 50 metres up the road. (None of us told him).

    Anyway, his HTV stuff was of the slippery variety. And, it was quite windy. So, of course, every time he shuffled up to a voter to hand out a card, the rest would blow out of his hands. Which, because we were all being very nice, we’d chase after for him. Crafty bugger.

    There was no gaiety from the voters. All rather sombre. Rusted-ons from both of the majors loudly proclaiming their rejections, and surprisingly quite a few Greens. And a lot of donkey voters too by the looks. And quite a few who hadn’t made up their mind. Have to say I slipped those voters a Labor HTV and said well, why not stick with the party with the best policies. And they thanked me, and said they would. But who knows.

    But the HTV-hander-outerers had a lot of fun. Lots of laughter during the rare breaks. And some serious discussion from the Libs about Malcolm Turnbull. They reckon there’s a bit of rumbling below the surface. Well, I’ll take that with a grain of salt.

    Some vehement anti-Rudd stuff. Some saying they’d have voted Labor if Gillard was still leader.

    All in all, I’d say the booth was probably 60-40 Lib. No Nationals candidate. And included in the 40, the Greens voters, who were mostly disaffected Labor.

    Only one sore spot. Every town has its known intellectually disabled people. It was disconcerting to say the least to see the Libs actively ferrying these folk in to vote.

    We all had a great laugh, though, when the Libs (two of them) spent a good 15 minutes helping one elderly lady on a scooter (no disabled access at this booth) in and out of the booth – while the rest of us furiously took advantage of this lull in Lib HTV-handing-out – to find, when they escorted back that she hadn’t voted at all because there was no Sex Party candidate. 😆

    The looks on the Libs was bloody priceless. The Lib bloke said to me, wtte never in all his born days . . . Shock and awe that such ignominy had backfired.

    So, to recap. There were 2 Labor, 2 Libs, 1 DLP, 2 Greens, 1 Independent, and 1 PUP (who was mortified to learn that PUP had preferenced Libs and she was intending to vote Labor/Greens; she did it for the money!).

    PS. Lucky I got out of there before the rain started. Sore kidneys from the stiff wind. But, at the bottle shop on the way home, managed to squeeze two extra votes for Labor when I reminded them to vote Labor to save their penalty rates. 🙂

  7. I am not a footy fan any more, I used to be a crows fan but got sick of the AFL. AFL is a farce with the Essendon drug cheating scandal. But hopefully the ABC radio coverage is restored for those of you who are fans and want to listen.

  8. I’ll be covering the election tonight for themercury.com.au . This is a paid gig so they will have my complete attention and alas you will not see me here until very late at night if at all (I’d say probably not).

    http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/election-night-arrangements-and.html

    Above link has my election night arrangements and also my advice on election-watching hints and cautions.

    I appreciate the interest of many here and also the great work done by those whose work I’ve used in my own stuff through this year, especially William (I’ve also used a lot from Mumble and Mark the Ballot).

    I voted at South Hobart about 11. There were only HTVers for Liberal, Labor, Green, Wilkie and NTEU (NTEU advocating Wilkie in the House, Greens in Sentate).

    Liberal HTV cards in Tassie are quite ideologically consistent (to a point) and have complete faith in their voters being able to copy a set of numbers.

    Labor HTV cards in Tassie think their voters are sheep and make the card as donkey-vote-like as they like, including preffing the Liberals 2 in Lyons so their voters can donkey. Oh except in Denison where they went out of their way to break out of reverse-donkey order in order to preference the Liberals ahead of Wilkie.

  9. lefty e and dendrite
    Thanks for yr interest Dendrite but lefty and me will be meeting ‘up on this corner at around 7.30pm if youse wanna hang round and watch but it won’t be pretty! Labor won’t get even near lefty’s 61 seats or 47.3% 2PP.

  10. Wal – my overall point is where did those votes go? And where will they flow back to?

    That to me is the biggest unknown – it doesn’t change the result (I think) but equally I think the results tonight could be surprising

  11. mexicanbeemer@810


    AJM

    At this stage even with those 52/48 exit polls it is looking like Tone will win although the mood seems to indicate that the voters are not breaking down the booth doors which suggests no real love or affection for Tone and Co.

    It was the arrogant smugness that got me – no qualification or even “extremely likely”s just “this is what’s going to happen”. The best part of a Labor win for me wouldn’t be the return of the government – it’d be all these idiots getting egg all over their faces.

  12. People who predict the imminent collapse of the Green vote once the voters “wake up to them” are indulging in wishful thinking as the Green vote in Western democracies is generally at 10% or above. The Greens are not going to go away in the West anytime soon. In any case the Green vote in Australia is unlikely to decline significantly so long as the major parties in Australia continue to substantially ignore environmental issues.

  13. pithicus

    Freo are right in it. Geelong will keep getting frees when they drop their heads from ridiculously favourable umpires at home though.

  14. kezza2 – Thanks. And your “diary” has given me my third laugh at work. I always thank all the people handing out the HTVs – and think of their counterparts in elections in places like Afghanistan.

  15. haha.

    Possum Comitatus ‏@Pollytics 17s

    AEC staffer telling journalists to fuck off because this is democracy. 5 Stars

    I’d say that too if I was AEC staffer.

  16. I have just been handing out Liberal HTVs at Telopea in the seat of Parramatta. It was interesting to note that 90% of Labor’s helpers were foreign backpackers who were being paid by the hour.

    The voters came early in huge numbers. They obviously can’t wait to get rid of Labor and its useless leader

  17. J- i think south australia is a massive unknown.
    Qld other voter will probably go to the lnp. I don’t think thats a suprise
    Victoria not so clear cut either- 33% pv

    I think Palmer is the protest vote and is pinching it of the ALP LNP and GRN.
    Palmer could be a liberal plant (rafflesia)

  18. AJM

    I agree there is some smugness on Sky today, Peter Reith basically claimed that the people had spoken, when the journo suggested the result wasn’t known yet he was like yeah

    If Rudd did win the first person i want on the T.V is Paul Murray, is there a bigger Tone fan

  19. Kevin Bonham. I hope your Mercury gig goes well and you get many more if you wish to have many more such gigs. Your blog is excellent, well done.

  20. “@AusElectoralCom: @mumbletwits @ChipRolley I can give you stat. 1.8m of the 3.2m early votes were cast at pre-polls in own division & into tonight’s count”

  21. Rocket Rocket @ 833

    You’re welcome.

    And, yes indeed, we are very lucky to be able to vote. I treasure it.

    You must try doing the HTV for your party. It really is good fun.

    I’m a bit wind burnt though, despite the cold. Reminds me of 1996, unfortunately. But that’s another story.

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