The weekly Morgan multi-mode poll finds the Labor primary vote slipping three points to 38.5% and the Greens up 1.5% to 10.5%, with the Coalition up half a point to 41.5%. That translates to 52-48 to Labor on respondent-allocated preferences, down slightly from 52.5-47.5 last week. The change is sharper on the generally more useful two-party measure which distributes preferences according to the previous election result, with Labor’s lead down from 52-48 to 50.5-49.5.
Meanwhile, today’s Essential Research has the Coalition down a point for the second week in a row to 44%, with Labor steady on 39% and the Greens up two to 9%. After shifting a point in Labor’s favour on the basis of little change in the published primary votes last week, two-party preferred remains at 51-49 despite more substantial change this week, suggesting the result has moved from the cusp of 52-48 to the cusp of 50-50.
Essential also finds 61% approval for the government’s new asylum seekers policy against 28% disapproval, and concurs with Galaxy in having the two parties almost equal as best party to handle the issue. Labor is favoured by 25% (up eight on mid-June), Coalition by 26% (down 12) and the Greens by 6% (down one). Asylum seeker arrivals are rated the most important election issue by 7%, one of the most important by 28%, quite important by 35%, not very important by 16% and not at all important by 8%. The poll also has Malcolm Turnbull rated as best person to lead the Liberal Party by 37% against 17% for Tony Abbott and 10% for Joe Hockey, and also includes further questions on workplace productivity.
Regardless of its current irrelevance, it’s funny being called a ‘Trot’ by the conservative-right likes of you Psephos, when Trotsky was exiled and killed by the totalitarian mass murderer Stalin. Me as Trotsky; you as Stalin – is that it?
thanks for helping crew not
@Sean/1593
So if There is 1200 a week, and Coalition are only planning 5000 over 5 years on Nauru, wouldn’t 5,000 be filled up in less than 3 months on Nauru?
And While I’m at it, How much resolve that is including our Navy/SAS into this?
Or does your maths need some more work ?
shows on thank u
I suppose the word “thread” might do if it weren’t already overloaded.
[thanks for helping crew not]
I HELPED!
Actually, scrap that. I don’t think they’re a couple. I think they’re just friends and that Sen. Heffernan is her mentor of sorts.
It’s funny, we have the two most extreme views here at PB on asylum seekers:
JV on the extreme left and Tisme on the extreme right. Everyone else is in between 😆
Hewson- “we send the mosly Muslim asylum seekers to Manus with the idea they will be settled in PNG and mostly Christian country.
So Australian is a mostly..???? Christian/Muslim/Buddist country???
JV#1601
Whereas the oh so cuddly Trotsky (who would have been a big scale totalitarian mass murderer too if he’s been better at it) suppressed independent trade unions and inconvenient things like that… Anyone who is proud of being called a Trot has no idea .
[Regardless of its current irrelevance, it’s funny being called a ‘Trot’ by the conservative-right likes of you Psephos, when Trotsky was exiled and killed by the totalitarian mass murderer Stalin. Me as Trotsky; you as Stalin – is that it?]
I’m a paid-up member of the Australian Labor Party, thanks for asking.
Pegasus
[Urban Dictionary lists 5 definitions for ‘meme’:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meme ]
Good one. My original use of the term instinctively was quite apt then. Seems the range of meaning for the term has increased since 1976. So has the temperature. 🙂
Rudd’s trying to pull a class A conjob on the Australian people.
We know Labor and we know they are soft on people smugglers. We also know they lie before the election and pretend to be tough to get them through the election. Once the election is over they go back to being their pro-people smuggler selves.
Let their record be their ruining. Labor are Gutless.
MM
Stephenson is clearly a genius and a lot of the topics he is interested in are the same as the ones I am also interested in, especially the maths and science philosophy.
I might give Quicksilver another go one day.
As I get older, I am tending to avoid books over 500 pages as history tells me I don’t finish many fiction books that long. When I was in my twenties, I loved those either long or difficult books like Ulysses, War and Peace or Brothers Karamazov.
I’ve had Murakami’s 1q84 sitting on a shelf glaring at me for two years now. I loved all his books but I just don’t have the time or energy for a long project like that. It’s a bit sad really.
[Centre
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 10:20 pm | PERMALINK
It’s funny, we have the two most extreme views here at PB on asylum seekers:
JV on the extreme left and Tisme on the extreme right. Everyone else is in between ]
Hey! How come I don’t get included on the extreme left?
….and I think it is actually JV, Pegasus and me (perhaps Fran, I cant recall) with everyone else on the extreme right with Truthy and Generic Person (who were ridiculed by most bludgers for the exact same positions most bludgers are advocating now!!!! :devil:
Yes, quite right. The broad range of so-called “definitions” at the Urban Dictionary link just underscores the problems associated with this so-called word. Its alleged meaning is far too broad, confusing and catch-all to be useful.
DisplayName
A theme?
Consistency is not necessarily a virtue, Mod.
Who was the idiot that said “we will stop asylum seekers in the first 3 years of Govt”
and then put forward a plan that goes for 5 years??
[I’m a paid-up member of the Australian Labor Party, thanks for asking.]
Yep, all hangs together these days. Those of us who have not stumbled to the right with Labor look a lot more ‘left’ than we did 10 years ago.
Kinkajou
[BTW, Trotskyists are fascists]
No they are not. Fascists are extra-legal, nationalist (and typically racist) gangs based around violent intimidation of people seen either as a threat to the ruling class or as a culturally deviant group that has earned the animus of that class. Trotskyists are avowed revolutionary socialists, seeking in their view, to provoke the workers and their social allies amongst the marginalised to overthrow the ruling class on a world scale on the path to a classless society of material abundance. No part of that program presupposes violence in favour of the ruling class, and indeed, Trotskyists condemn such violence, for obvious reasons.
Your conjuring of this amalgam both debauches the language and dishonours actual victims of fascism.
[Hey! How come I don’t get included on the extreme left?]
Because you support the Liberal Party including their policies of encouraging people to drown.
[DisplayName
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 10:24 pm | PERMALINK
Consistency is not necessarily a virtue, Mod.]
Not necessarily, particularly if you are wrong!
I would have more respect for this claiming to have changed their minds, if they had the honesty to come here and say:
“I apologise to John Howard, I ridiculed him in the past but he was right and I was wrong”
and
“I apologise to Pauline Hanson, Truthy and Generic Person. I insulted them in the past but they were actually right and I was wrong as I have now realised”
Folks here can’t bring themselves to do that, yet they ridicule those of us who continue to reject the Pauline Hanson, Truthy, and Generic Person views of asylum seekers.
Sean Tisme
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 10:03 pm | Permalink
Can we get an update on how many illegals have been sent to PNG under Labor?
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given time elapsed – the same number as Howard sent to Nauru
[Yes, quite right. The broad range of so-called “definitions” at the Urban Dictionary link just underscores the problems associated with this so-called word. Its alleged meaning is far too broad, confusing and catch-all to be useful.]
WTF!? You are using Urban Dictionary as a reference?
WTF is your problem?
alias
It’s all about context, as with a great many nouns. That’s how and why I used it. It seems to have worked. 🙂
http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2013/07/30/578290_latest-news.html KATTER’S Australian Party candidate is calling for a Royal Commission into the Commonwealth’s free trade policies.
Bruce Stevens, the party’s candidate for the Victorian seat of McEwen, has written an letter to the Governor-General Quentin Bryce to request an inquiry.
Mr Stevens wrote that the policies of consecutive Labor and Coalition governments since the 1990s had resulted in the abandonment of the Australian Constitution by placing “the sovereignty of Australia in jeopardy”.
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Has Mod Lib consistently supported people drowning?
Tisme
The massive difference between the Rudd policy and the Monkey policy on boat arrivals is that;
with the Rudd policy, all the people that arrive by boat will NOT be settled in Australia,
whereas,
with the Abbott policy, most of the people that arrive by boat WILL ultimately be settled in Australia.
It must be killing you inside knowing that 🙂
[ShowsOn
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 10:28 pm | PERMALINK
Has Mod Lib consistently supported people drowning?]
Based on your world view, you supported people drowning for the decade in which you criticised Howard and you have only stopped wanting people to drown in the last 9 days?
If that is not right, in the immortal words of Pauline Hanson, with whom you are agreeing on this issue:
Please explain?
You seem a little agitated ShowsOn, if you don’t mind my saying so.
The Urban Dictionary is not the Concise Oxford, granted, but it is a widely used reference for those seeking to understand the general usage of terms and colloquialisms that may be in vogue.
[given time elapsed – the same number as Howard sent to Nauru]
Funny that because Manus Island has been re-opened since at least September last year.
Howard went from Tampa arrival to people on Nauru in 3 weeks.
Nightly alternative news service (an adjunct to BK’s morning news service which is received so enthusiastically):
1. http://newmatilda.com/2013/07/30/rudds-risky-rushed-populism
2. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-29/australia-s-dangerous-new-refugee-policy.html
3. http://newmatilda.com/2013/07/30/burke-dodges-horrific-manus-allegations
4. http://newmatilda.com/2013/07/30/international-law-matters-even-manus
[alias
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 10:30 pm | PERMALINK
You seem a little agitated ShowsOn, if you don’t mind my saying so.]
I worry about whether there is enough joy in ShowsOn’s life sometimes…
Does Mod Lib want Pauline Hanson to drown?
I can never understand what her points are.
No boats arrived under Howards Pacific Solution
BUT – 1700 asylum seekers were processed through Nauru.
Howard continued to send “Aid” money to Nauru.
If no boats were coming and there were no refugees why was Howard paying them to care for asylum seekers?
Does Mod Lib get joy out of life when people drown?
Here we go again!
[On a carousel, on a carousel
Round and round and round and round
Round and round and round and round with you
Up, down, up, down, up, down, too]
Mod Lib
In exact order on the extreme left on the issue of unauthorised boat arrivals:
1. JV
2. Pegasus
3. Fran
4. Mod Lib
Bad luck you missed out on the bronze medal 😀
Dee, that seems close but maybe it’s too bounded.
[ShowsOn
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 10:32 pm | PERMALINK
Does Mod Lib want Pauline Hanson to drown?
I can never understand what her points are.]
Its quite simple ShowsOn.
You claim that I support drowning because I don’t support the Pacific solution.
You were against the Pacific solution in the past, weren’t you? Does that not mean you supported drowning for the last decade…….using your very own logic! 🙂
[The Urban Dictionary is not the Concise Oxford, granted, but it is a widely used reference for those seeking to understand the general usage of terms and colloquialisms that may be in vogue.]
LOL! Well here’s an idea. Why don’t you look up the word “meme” in the multi award winning biology book where the term was first used rather than relying on the urban dictionary definition!?
I’m astonished that your abject stupidity has necessitated me making this suggestion.
I think Mod Lib claimed that I claim that Mod Lib supports people drowning.
This is because Mod Lib supports people drowning.
Sean Tisme
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Permalink
given time elapsed – the same number as Howard sent to Nauru
Funny that because Manus Island has been re-opened since at least September last year.
Howard went from Tampa arrival to people on Nauru in 3 weeks.
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Oh you pathetic little person.
We all know you question was in relation to the PNG Plan but you manipulate it to mean something else.
You are the equal of something that gets stuck on my shoe when in the dog park.
[Centre
Posted Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 10:33 pm | PERMALINK
Mod Lib
In exact order on the extreme left on the issue of unauthorised boat arrivals:]
Please justify why I am #4 compared with the other 3?
How have I not been a steadfast defender of the vulnerable here, every single step of the way?
Initially it was against Hanson, Truthy and Generic Person.
Now it is against the entire blog other than the three you mention. However, I have always been on the side of the vulnerable, why am I relegated to #4?
Please explain?
The question I’d like answered is whether this going to Nauru and talking about 5,000 tents is simply something they had planned all along, and acted out even though it merely reinforces their failure, or if its something they thought of yesterday out of panic and a need to keep it in the news?
[….and I think it is actually JV, Pegasus and me (perhaps Fran, I cant recall) with everyone else on the extreme right with Truthy and Generic Person (who were ridiculed by most bludgers for the exact same positions most bludgers are advocating now!!!!]
Yeah, and you’ve voted for it in the past and would do so if Turnbull was leader. Go figure eh?
ShowsOn
Richard Dawkins may have coined the word “meme” in his award-winning book, but it would appear that it has taken on a life of its own since then, and is being used so confusingly and across a wide range of so-called definition as to make it quite useless, if it was ever useful in the first place.
[which he said showed that then communist Barbara Ramjan had claimed that members of the rival far-left Spartacists on the University of Sydney campus had threatened to kill her.]
Speaking as someone who was
a) at Sydney Uni in the late 1970s
and
b) a member of the Spartacists from 1978
This is the first time I’ve heard such a claim made. I would certainly have heard it at the time, had such a serious charge been made.
It was not our policy to engage in criminal conduct. We were very fussy about members observing “bourgeois law”. Members were even advised not to evade fares on the trains. Illegal drugs were not permitted. The org felt it was at risk from police disruption, and in the light of the Langridge matter and of course Tim Anderson. Any member who, even in a moment of irritation had said such a thing would have been suspended, and probably expelled.
The party punted people for far lesser offences than that.
Christine Milne to be interviewed on Lateline