The flurry of post-budget polling, encompassing Newspoll, Nielsen, Galaxy, Essential Research and Morgan (so basically everyone except ReachTEL), came in slightly above Labor’s recent form, pushing them up 0.5% on two-party preferred on the weekly BludgerTrack poll aggregate. Labor also gains three on the seat projection, which come off the totals for Victoria (where they were boosted by a 54-46 lead in Nielsen), South Australia and the territories. On the primary vote, the others total has increased for a fifth week in a row, to a level matched in the current term only in March and July 2012. See the sidebar for full details.
Some further polling nuggets:
Gemma Daley of the Financial Review reports a poll of 600 respondents conducted by the resources industry which shows Tony Windsor surprisingly well placed in New England, with 49% to Barnaby Joyce’s 38%. Previous polling in New England over the current term has included a Newspoll survey of 504 respondents in October 2011 which had an as-yet-unchosen Nationals candidate leading Windsor 41% to 33%, and a ReachTEL in June 2012 which had the Nationals lead as high as 62% to 25%.
Somewhat confusingly, the resources industry poll also covered a sample that concentrated in three western Sydney seats, which was extended to all of the seats in the area. This showed Labor would at best achieve a 44 per cent two-party preferred result, costing it every seat in western Sydney.
Roy Morgan offers further budget polling, conducted by SMS and involving 1409 respondents, half contacted before the budget and half after. Asked whether the budget would benefit you and your family, 32% said yes before the event and 68% said no, which was little changed afterwards (30% and 70%). Also featured are age and gender breakdowns.
Sorry about the typos – I am fuming in anticipation!
bk
The reason I relayed that prediction was to note an ABC talking head made it. Not to put your blood pressure up
guytaur
I had the heads up before the announcement, so my angst has been brewing for some hours.
On the car thing with Ford: GMH is also due to announce of the new Commodore.
The last serious one was called “VE”.
Will the next be “VD”?
Where does the ABC get them?
Ashley McGee (a black haired lady) commenting on Ford close down plans said about 5 times that sales of Felkins have been decreasing for a decade.
And on the same topic, Alicia Barry said that the consumers now have many options in purchasing Imported cars, and that this gives them many options.
CTat1
Way back in the Chrysler days we started the V-Series of Valiants. The first was the VC (which followed the AP5 and AP6 models). Unsurprisingly, the series ran thus – VC, VE, VF, VG, VH, VJ, VK.
Abbott would link the increase in the price of a pie to the his misnamed carbon “tax”
Why???
Because the MSM let him get away with it
BK
A Ford,Insider told me years ago that Ford would be out of Australia before 2015.
All a journo has to do is ask Abbott, why would Ford make an announcement now. They could wait until the election which is a foregone conclusion. After all Abbott said he would abolish Carbon tax
BK
It’s a version abbreviation to avoid!
I guess Abbott could offer to abolish the GST on ford Vehicles. 🙂
If Abbott was smart he wouldn’t try and link the Ford decision to the CPRS and instead just say the Ford decision justifies his policy to review all vehicle subsidies. I doubt Abbott is smart though.
Reasons for Ford closure according to Nick Dole:
1) High AUD (a minor reason)
2) Ford sales here on the nose for years
3) Ford (US) refusal to give Ford (Aus) access to OS markets.
These reasons will soon be succinctly summarised by Abbott as “the carbon tax”.
Car models – on a related matter – In WA we started using ‘A’ as the first letter – AA() then to AB() guess what letter never made a showing as the 3rd letter when we got to “AB”??
psyclaw
Ford went on a downward spiral when they released the Ford AU. It was a disaster that they never recovered from
The basic reason Ford has struggled is that competition can manufacture quality cars in Asia at much cheaper prices than Ford can in Australia. It’s Economics 101.
guytaur @ 97
Yep if this is any guide.
What a waste of taxpayers money these subsidies are.
Aussie some letter that falls between “N” and “P”?
Btw our family is a Ford household, and they have always been very reliable cars. In fact, I have a Ford Laser that Is 16 years old and has never broken down. It is now used as a spare car, and My son has been driving this car whilst his own car is being repaired for body damage.
Ctar
The size of the bricks makes no practical difference. Brick or any sort of masonry is good in compression (pressing down on the wall), but rubbish in bending (pressing sideways on the wall). With a brick wall it’s the mortar joints that will generally fail in bending.
What makes a brick wall work against a lateral (wind) load is it’s thickness in relationship to it’s height. A single skin brick wall is stable up to less than a metre really. Boral’s design guide says 0.54m for a single skin wall with no end restraint or top restraint that’s 6 bricks high. Double brick unrestrained is only 1.38 bricks high (16 bricks).
The Grocon wall looked a lot higher than 1.38m high, had a massive wind catcher bolted to it, and from the small amount of footage I saw didn’t seem to have any restraint build up to support it. It wasn’t a matter of if, but when it was going to come down. Someone has been extremely negligent, the only question is who.
Sprocket 23
That NBN article from News Weekly is interesting insofar as New Weekly is a publication of the National Civic Council, which is a very socially conservative offshoot of B A Santamaria’s DLP.
Why is that important? Because it shows that the NBN is the one ALP policy that even the conservatives at heart agree with.
For a lot more about the NBN with comprehensive links, go to my website savethenbn
Victoria
But Ford also starved the Aus Company of R anD D $s.
Note that they persisted with their old dog of a straight six engine for a decade after all other manufacturers had changed to V6s.
And then they released the AU, a car that steered itself, especially in the wet, and rarely in the direction desired by the driver.
psyclaw
I know several Ford insiders, and the AU was the catalyst for the demise of Ford in Oz. also most components are now being made in South Africa
Moran got it back to front, IMHO, but I assume he was being polite.
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with governments cutting programs and cutting the number of public servants and ministers telling public servants what they want them to to. At all. It is democracy in action.
SOP, really.
But that is not the problem. The problem is to get ministers to tell the public servants who are left to stop doing some things.
It is just like the old joke about the Irish farmer and his horse.
Similarly, announcing that you are going to cut the public service means that you are going to cut goods and services. Announcing one and being coy about the other is, of course, standard Abbott.
The other issue here is that the reason lots of public servants are gone is because much of the work that used to be done by public servants is now outsourced.
I leave it to others to comment on whether the outsourcing outcomes are (a) cheaper and/or (b) better.
V8s gassing the environment with CO2?
How yesterdayment. Bound to happen.
CTar1
No acronyms but I did like this from the NZ defence chief at a US NZ Partnership Forum in Washington DC yesterday.
[When it comes to the Five Eyes intelligence sharing grouping, it’s like a family with the United States and Britain as parents, and New Zealand being the 5-year old that others were made to play with]
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10885535
They have cars that steer themselves today. In fact you can’t be without one if you want to reverse-park, apparently.
I take it you don’t mean that kind of steering, Psyclaw?
Gauss – Ford could have held out until after the election because if all the “experts” are right Abbott would be elected and repeal the carbon legislation.
This is not an issue about the carbon price this is more a commercial decision as Ford wre failing well before the carbon price.
Blaming the carbon price is just a political convenience of the Libs and further proves they have no real idea and rely on slogans and one line rants
[I doubt Abbott is smart though.]
I dont think you will get much argument on that point. He is rat cunning though and knows he has a compliant MSM to report whatever bullsh$t he deigns to deposit on them. All they need is the headline “Opposition Leader Says………” and it doesn’t actually matter is he’s talking any sense.
imacca
Abbott is not rat cunning. He buckles under the smallest amount of pressure. He has gotten this far with a compliant media. Simple as that
Abbott would be politically very, very stupid to link the Ford closure to the carbon tax.
Assume he becomes Prime Minister, assume he succeeds in the Holy Grail of getting rid of the carbon tax, assume that Ford STILL closes in 2016:
(a) Abbott lied again
(b) For a change he gets caught out in a lie.
(c) He has some form of prime ministerial responsibility for the closure of the Ford factory.
vic
The Ford Laser was a Mazda built in Japan.
Ford has been preparing to wind down operations in Oz for at least ten years
Geelong, Victoria: “First and foremost we are not going to hit the motor industry with a carbon tax and the carbon tax is adding $400 to the cost of every car manufactured in Australia.”
We thought we should check that number. It is exactly $400? And how do you calculate the impact of the carbon price? Can it be calculated?
The carbon price is often blamed for increasing costs – so much so that consumer groups and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) warn that mentioning this as an excuse to jack up prices must be truthful.
The car business is highly competitive and there is no suggestion the carbon tax impact has reached the buyer of a new vehicle. However, there is debate on the level of extra costs manufacturers have had to carry.
Abbott’s office pointed to a May 2011 report by professional services firm PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC), one commissioned by the car industry body, the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries, titled ‘Potential impact of a carbon price on the Australian automotive industry’.
This study was prepared and released before the detail of the carbon price was announced in July 2011. This included the carbon price levels and details of assistance to the car industry, both of which have implications for calculating costs to the industry.
The report says: “We estimate the vehicle manufacturing industry faces an additional cost, without government assistance for companies in the supply chain, in the order of $222-$412 per vehicle produced.”
This range covers Abbott’s $400, although he has chosen the high end. When Abbott has previously mentioned the $400, he qualified it by adding the ‘some’ before the dollar figure, a word which adds a degree of approximation.
The PwC assessment was written when there were unknowns about the carbon price: “As yet, there is uncertainty over the extent or distribution of assistance arrangements under a future carbon price, which would directly affect the size of this cost burden.” Other variations affecting the cost per vehicle are the number and type of vehicle models produced and the extent of local versus overseas parts.
The 2011 report also said that government assistance to the industry would reduce the carbon price impact on the cost per vehicle to a range of $121 to $215. The mid level of this range is $168, close to a reported $150 per vehicle stated by car industry spokesmen in news reports when the carbon price was announced.
However, in 2013 industry and experts say they can’t give an assessment of the carbon price costs added to the process of manufacturing a car.
We spoke to the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries which said it had no current estimate to offer but it was considering commissioning an update to the PwC report.
Ford Australia said: “We don’t provide that level of detail of our production costs.”
Australian Automotive Intelligence, which provides analysis on the industry, says it is unlikely there is an exact figure. An independent body would be needed to make an assessment because industry players typically don’t share production costs with each other.
Industry reports (Deloittee, IBISworld) viewed by Politfact Australia don’t mention the carbon price as a factor in the health or otherwise of the automotive industry. Last year was a bumper year for car sales but most point to a squeeze on profit margins on each car sold and increasing market share by imported cars.
Our Ruling:
Abbott said: “… the carbon tax is adding $400 to the cost of every car manufactured in Australia.”
The $400 has been selectively harvested from the high end of the PwC range. And there are no modifying words to indicate this is the upper end or an approximation. The statement also ignores the rest of the PwC report which said industry assistance would reduce the carbon price cost to a range of $121 to $215. Based on the PwC report, the more likely range is less than $400 and closer to $200.
We rate this claim Mostly False.
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I like the idea that Dave is attending to a room at 70 Whitehall rather that what’s gone on.
‘Five-eyes’ 😀
one must always check google before abbott
says anything
just to see what he said the time before
about any subject
Very sad about the demise of Ford. Love my Falcons (as the keen eyed may have picked). And Psyclaw the straight six is no dog. It smokes it’s competition in most respects. In the EcoLPI guise it’s a real winner. Straight or bent though large capacity naturally aspirated engines are on the way out for boosted small capacity and hybrids. The march of progress.
But all good things come to an end, and fashions have changed away from Falcon and Commodore. AU’s looks were a problem, Imports and SUVs have cut the market and Ford’s marketing has long been rubbish. Shame because it’s still a great reliable and comfortable conveyance.
BK
Too true. My Laser still looks good. The paint work is still crisp and the engine clicks over first time every time. It is now a spare car, but so reliable. I dont want to put a curse on it, but it has served me very well over the years.
I know have a Ford focus that was built in Belgium
BK
[The Ford Laser was a Mazda built in Japan.]
We had the frog shaped ones at work – a decent thing.
Oops now
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/B3F0D3AC83B30F53CA257B52000AFDCC04/2013
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this was an interesting link now its not working
for me any way
so I wonder what will happen to the racing teams here
they did take their v 8 to the usa
we watched it on Monday night
direct
o that was a one off I think
re the usa racing
Big news day.
Essendon Football Club CEO and AFL operations Manager to make announcement around midday today
victoria
That will be just after Emmo’s presser
guytaur
Yes it will.
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/EBD877FAEB014673CA257B6E00008E48
Federal opposition’s budget response fails to back Australia’s car-makers
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AussieAchmed @ 100
The Carbon Tax is a cost at the margin yes but if you’re standing at the cliff edge it only takes a shove for you to go over the cliff.
Anyone who believes the imposition of a $23 carbon tax
hasn’t lead the companies either downsizing or closing down and accelerating the shift of manufacturing
to overseas is kidding themselves.
Regarding Tony Abbott he’s playing politics & he will win on the politics of this every day. Having Greg Combet come out with a few expletives will not make any difference to the politics.
ratsak
[Straight or bent though large capacity naturally aspirated engines are on the way out for boosted small capacity and hybrids. ]
I be keeping my E500 for a long time: a joy to drive.
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