The Australian reports the Coalition’s lead in Newspoll has blown out to 58-42, from primary votes of 30% for Labor (down four on the previous fortnight’s result) and 50% for the Coalition (up six) and 10% for the Greens (down one). There has also been a big move to Tony Abbott on preferred prime minister, going from 42-38 behind to 43-35 ahead – remembering that the result of the previous poll was well above the trend for Labor. More to follow.
UPDATE: Julia Gillard has recorded her worst personal ratings since September 2011, while Tony Abbott’s ratings are the best they have been since the middle of that year. Gillard is down six on approval to 26% and up eight on disapproval to 65%, while Tony Abbott is up three to 39% and down five to 50%.
confessions
I suspect Dio made up the 50% figure, or was it evidence based Dio?
Bugler
[1. Learning difficulties,
2. Non English-speaking backgrounds,
3. Disabilities,
4. Poorer households,
5. Different ethnic/religious backgrounds,
6. Family difficulties,
7. Criminal backgrounds,
8. Behavioural problems]
There are plenty of kids at my daughters school who have most of those. I’m not saying at the same rate as a public school but its quite common.
[joe carli
Posted Wednesday, March 27, 2013 at 10:44 pm | PERMALINK
Mod lib..2591…what the shite are you chatting about you drongo!..it’s a completely different subject!…..take the pill and stfu!]
You mean everyone bagging private schools?
Don’t the ALP top brass all send their kids to private schools?
Diogenes@2602
I’ll bet there are none with financial difficulties!
No 2592
There’s nothing unfair about the current arrangements – private school students get about 40-50% less per head than public students.
The idea that private schooling saves the taxpayer money is laughable. Those parents are taxpayers too. A taxpayer choosing to spend more on private schooling is costing taxpayers more money :P.
ESJ,
Please don’t go down the Labor has abandoned its principles road because I’ve been reading about that for decades.
Yet we maange to soldier on despite our deriliction.
Nearly always, someone’s pet hobby horse is lame.
I suspect it is the case again.
Fess
It’s roughly 50% for many things but we are increasingly realising that epigenetic influences are part of that 50%.
[Greensborough Growler
Posted Wednesday, March 27, 2013 at 10:49 pm | PERMALINK
ESJ,
Please don’t go down the Labor has abandoned its principles road]
Is “Labor never had any principles” taken? :devil:
I find it peculiar that people here would like to punish students of private schools because they can’t stand the fact that they have a few extra facilities.
Latham’s hitlist approach was as ludicrous in 2004 as it is now.
Mod Lib,
They have never been of much use to your side, comrade.
Thats completely unfair GG.
We believe in money
We believe in kneecapping the Unions
and we believe in money
Diogs,
So 50% is genes, 50% is experience and the other 50% is the Adelaide water.
PS: Watch out for point #2 above in the next several Liberal governments!!!!!
Hey, what we have here is a building consensus for the great Australian tradition of universal free secular education. I reckon it’s part of our egalitarian tradition of the fair go, and bringing smart-arses down to earth.
AND The best thing the govt should have done for itself would have been to throw 2Bill at western Sydney and Melb public schools in this budget. Too late now of course but gee that would have hit more swingers than demonising 457s.
50% you say I reckon closer to 90%- with the environment counting for a meer 10% or nuture
I think all education should be funded by HECS style arrangements, that way there would actually be some contribution from students/parents to the cost of their education.
[ Latham’s hitlist approach was as ludicrous in 2004 as it is now. ]
Yes, I agree – a hitlist is a bad idea. Makes it look like you are targeting particular schools.
Instead, just reduce their government funding for any school each year by the amount of profit they banked the year before.
Mod Lib
It depends on exactly what we are talking about. Things like ability in maths, or language, or sports are about 50% nature versus nurture.
[AND The best thing the govt should have done for itself would have been to throw 2Bill at western Sydney]
I am very much looking forward to the end of this “throwing billions” of my bucks around.
What did that famous pollie say? “This reckless spending has to stop” or wtte…..
Haha Mod Lib is kicking goals tonight 🙂
[I am very much looking forward to the end of this “throwing billions” of my bucks around.]
WTF are you going on about, Howard did it all the time.
Can’t you remember that Howard even conducted a federal government take over of ONE hospital in Tasmania because he thought it would win him a seat?
Diogenes,
No doubt. Maybe the federal government could pay for private school scholarships. But centaur’s idea is probably better and less able to be rorted. His first posts I’ve seen where I agree with him fully 😛 .
Generic Person,
Taking Government funding away from elite private schools would have minimal impact at most, and certainly not affect outcomes purely because they still have massive sources of revenue. Not only do they have massive school fees and investment schemes, but they also have benefactors. Melbourne High School is the only Government school that has that kind of non-fee-or-Government support. Not even MacRobertsons Girls’ School gets much from alumni.
Re Education I attended Public school, sent my kids to public schools as believed it was the best education, my grandkids all go to public schools and seem to be doing well. I plus my kids all have tertiary qualifications so no complaints from me about public education
Mod Lib,
Joe Hockey said it the other day and then got rolled by the Opposition Caucus.
Not holding out hopes for restraint on the LNP side.
[I think all education should be funded by HECS style arrangements, ]
WTF? Even the cost of teaching finger painting at kindergarten?
When you strike up the courage to actually suggest something it is usually completely bizarre.
Player One
[I’ll bet there are none with financial difficulties!]
They give out scholarships so there are some. I’m often surprised when I go to my daughters friends houses and see that quite a few aren’t well of at all. Quite a few kids are actually pit through by the grandparents rather than the parents. My daughters school is not an elite one. It’s about middle of the road for a private school.
Dio:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2913421/
You may be interested in this study of maths abilities across dizygotic versus monozygotic twins!
@Mod Lib/2620
Ahhh yes famous pollies say…
Get the budget back under control?
we will deliver a surplus in our first year and every year after that
Gov has to live within it’s means?
etc.
Mod, the Libs hate anything that empowers people. Unions, The Fellowship, public education, etc.
Centaur
[50% you say I reckon closer to 90%- with the environment counting for a meer 10% or nuture]
Most aren’t nearly as genetic as that. I think height is one of the few.
Yes and crean went to melbourne high- and we saw what happened to him!! the man spontaneously combusted!
[ShowsOn
Posted Wednesday, March 27, 2013 at 10:58 pm | PERMALINK
I am very much looking forward to the end of this “throwing billions” of my bucks around.
WTF are you going on about, Howard did it all the time.]
The difference is Howard did it with our money from windfall mining winnings.
Gillard is doing it on the credit card with money borrowed from China which we have to pay back with interest.
zoid,
Protect the British sausage!
I’ve always assumed that the main reason people sent their kids to rich private schools was for networking. They believe that if their kids rub shoulders with the elite, then their fellow members of the elite will share their privileges.
My impression is that that inference finds some support in practice. The quality of the education is entirely secondary to the names on the CV and the network of referees for jobs you can call in.
No 2630
Unions have power well beyond their actual representation of the workforce and their power should be curtailed.
Dio:
There are a number of longitudinal studies in WA which suggest the social environment has an increasingly influential role in early literacy than genes.
And not just here, but in Canada as well.
Mod Lib,
Profligacy is profligacy.
Costello should have left closer to $200 bill as his legacy rather than the paltry $20bill.
GP, I was just using this discussion to sneak in something for Mod :devil:.
@GP/2636
The same could be said about big business in politicians pay pockets.
GG:
Howard/Costello leave billions in the bank
Gillard leaves hundreds of billions on the credit card
You criticise Howard….quel surprise!
DisplayName
Yes, I did notice, but I am in a good mood and will not make a Goblin of you for that!
[The difference is Howard did it with our money from windfall mining winnings.]
Um, excuse me? How does it make sense to create on-going costs to the budget that are funded by what you call “windfall mining winnings” that won’t last forever?
Again you show how clueless you are about what constitutes sound economic policy.
[Gillard is doing it on the credit card with money borrowed from China which we have to pay back with interest.]
The government doesn’t have a “credit card”. People who use this analogy are clueless about how government works and can not be trusted.
Candidates for the Lyndhurst by-election.
https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/current/StateBy2013nominationsLyndhurstDistrict.html
[VO, Hung
SPRINGLE, Nina AUSTRALIAN GREENS
GONSALVEZ, Geraldine D.L.P. – DEMOCRATIC LABOR PARTY
PAKULA, Martin AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY
NOWLAND, Stephen FAMILY FIRST
LINAKER, David
LEAHY, Martin SEX PARTY
SINGH, Bobby]
GG 2607 – you haven’t left the party, the party has left you. You remind me of a southern democrat whose tribal loyalty ignores the inconvenient facts.
No 2641
100% right
ShowsOn
Finger painting should cost a base of $20 per finger up to three. Surcharge $50 for four. Whole hands a surcharge of $200. What do these kids think – there’s no limit to creativity? This must be fixed. Ideally kindergarten teachers should be failed economists from the US. I believe Barker and Kings have them.
[GG:
Howard/Costello leave billions in the bank]
Wrong again. The Howard/Costello government did create a future fund which included a lot of shares, but it also sold $60 billion worth of government bonds (that’s DEBT) to ensure liquidity of the bond market.
Mod Lib
That shows a higher correlation between MZ and DZ twins (.7 vs .5). That would fit.
Speaking of Cyprus and superannuation, the Euro stock markets are quite weak this morning, -1.7%.
Could be exacerbated by lowish trading volumes (Easter/Passover) + possibly fear that banking regulators tend to move over weekends
On that cheery note, good night 🙂