Morgan’s latest weekly face-to-face poll has the Labor primary vote falling a point on last week to 30 per cent, which I believe to be an all-time low in a series noted for being biased in their favour. The Coalition is up one to 47.5 per cent, with the Greens down half to 12 per cent. Labor has improved slightly on the headline respondent-allocated two-party preferred measure, on which the Coalition leads 58.5-41.5 (59.5-40.5), but gone backwards on the methodologically preferable previous election measure (from 55-45 to 56-44).
[Twiggy Forest was vocal about it recently in the media and there was some corroboration. The deal was done with BHP Biliton, Rio-Tinto and Xtrata and left out other miners.]
The PM publicly announced that was to be the process in quell the anger from miners. There was no collusion as you implied. It was quite openly announced.
Twiggy was outplayed. He and Gina went public in their protests against the RSPT, and got screwed in the end. I have no sympathy.
Fil R @ 3017
What a shocking ‘disloyal’ question. Of course they will be reporting all is well, full steam ahead, that’s not an iceberg ahead, a mere ice cube.
Anyone else here had a thought that the govt might be clearing decks in preparation for the run up to the election?
HSU, Slipper and Thomson all now effectively sidelined.
[BTW, if my house guests are correct, M Hollande has promised to institute a progressive tax rate of 75% on earnings above one million euros.]
BW,
They are correct.
kezza2 @ 3025
Yep. Didn’t see the point in rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic either.
OPT:
According to the Tories, the Howard govt is the benchmark against which all subsequent govts must be judged.
It seems they are willing to overlook his many and obvious stuff ups, if only because it gives them a chance to attack Julia Gillard.
Ian@2889:
Saying what many of us would like to say in that situation is, not to coin a phrase, ‘very courageous, minister!’
But good on you. Wish I’d been there.
😀
bemused
[Take a bit of the gloss off Saint Julia?]
Go back and look at the detail.
Rudd has said that he wasn’t briefed about the MRRT.
Pretended that he didn’t know about it before COAG
But he did.
Tried to blame Swan.
go back, look at the record.
And, instead of being informed, you’d rather trot out a dreadfully bitchy remark.
I nominate you to be voted from the ALP.
[So not a mere allegation of what might have been planned but what actually occurred. Take a bit of the gloss off Saint Julia?]
Not at all. Dumped into the job she had to clear the decks and did.
You continually ignore Rudd’s time as Goss’s CoS where he was well known as DrDeath, and loathed but then again, you do pompous ignorance really well.
Milliband on Hunt.
[he should not be in his position given the evidence]
notice the difference from out LOTO. Evidence.
[According to the Tories, the Howard govt is the benchmark against which all subsequent govts must be judged.]
So that’s why they haven’t needed to produce any policies with the bar being set so low.
[Space Kidette
Posted Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Permalink
Anyone else here had a thought that the govt might be clearing decks in preparation for the run up to the election?
HSU, Slipper and Thomson all now effectively sidelined.]
Spot on.
They should both get in early and starting thinking about new careers or retirement in Slipper’s case post 2013.
For the record (since we are on the Ruddstoration topic), I have only every supported the toppling of two ALP leaders – Bob Hawke over Bill Hayden and Kevin Rudd over Kim Beazley.
On every other occasion, I have supported the incumbent.
I took a long time to warm to Keating (I was a Hawke fangirl) and something always bothered me about Latham, although I could never quite put my finger on it.
With Rudd, I was torn between being totally appalled by the way it appeared to have happened and my delight at having our first female PM.
Over time, I have reconciled my feelings toward all those “conquerers”, except Latham, who still gives me the willies.
Gillard is not perfect – no MP, let alone PM is – but she is nowehere near as bad as people have made her out to be.
In this hostile media environment, what you are SEEN to do carries more weight than what you ACTUALLY do, and Labor will be pushing shit uphill on that score as long as a certain Mr R Murdoch is openly calling for regime change.
In short, changing to Rudd – or anyone else – is not going to cut it. Labor needs to find a new way of cutting through that avoids the media.
Good luck with that one, but that is our current political reality.
[Slipper’s speech upon resumption of Parliament could be a real doozy.]
He certainly has a few days to compose and polish it for what in effect will be a captive audience.
Is there anything procedurally that the Fib/Nats can do to stop him making it??
[Anyone else here had a thought that the govt might be clearing decks in preparation for the run up to the election?]
Yup. If they get this stuff sidelined and deliver a surplus, then it will be a lot more likely that the press pack will start to sniff around for Coalition Leadership woes.
If Abbott is calling for Thomson to be forced not to vote, he seems to be sailing very close to committing sedition.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/28/henry-porter-murdoch-leveson-inquiry
Hope Henry Porter is right about murdoch being finished.
[bemused
Posted Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Permalink
..
What a shocking ‘disloyal’ question. Of course they will be reporting all is well, full steam ahead, that’s not an iceberg ahead, a mere ice cube.]
And I bet the ice cube would be a little smaller. if a few more people were honest about what is going on, instead of questioning the judgment of those that put Gillard in power.
I have always said, the way things a going England will be a republic before Australia, now wouldn’t that be a headline, “Queen of Australia flees England”.
It looks as if England and the USA are going to do Murdock in and we are going to have to suffer longer.
[With Rudd, I was torn between being totally appalled by the way it appeared to have happened and my delight at having our first female PM.]
I was outright opposed to Rudd Removal, first woman PM or not.
I changed my mind entirely when his whiteanting first became apparent, back when he gave that now-infamous Qanda solo appearance.
For what position did Rabbott write Peter Slipper a reference?
If Slipper and Thomson are cleared of any wrong doing, then I suspect Mr Abbott’s judgement will be called into question on the issue of the presumption of innocence and parliamentary standards
[bemused
Posted Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Permalink
kezza2 @ 3025
Given the spiteful shite that comes from self-proclaimed Labor members who can’t be bothered rearranging their mind’s furniture..
Yep. Didn’t see the point in rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic either.]
This is so typical of you.
You take a part of a comment, disparage it, and think you’ve dispensed with it.
One of the reasons I really Gillard is because she doesn’t do that.
She takes a whole concept in hand, and endeavours to explain it.
I like women in power.
They know it’s bullshit to pretend that a part is the whole.
Just because you blokes have got away with it for eons, doesn’t make it right.
zoomster @ 3049
I said there was corroboration.
Can’t recall teh details now, but the story came out from other sources before Twiggy had his say, so he was actually corroborating the story.
[Yup. If they get this stuff sidelined and deliver a surplus, then it will be a lot more likely that the press pack will start to sniff around for Coalition Leadership woes.]
Why? Murdoch has 70% of the print media, Fairfax has 30%. They have had enough time to have done it before this in spite of the Government’s ‘woes’ and have not.
Did Rudd ever end up reading the Henry Review?
Pyne was on Sky earlier saying that Howard refused to accept Colston’s vote – can anyone remember that far back??? I’m guessing that’s once it didn’t matter any more???
[Anyone else here had a thought that the govt might be clearing decks in preparation for the run up to the election?]
I think many on here either mistunderstand, mistrust or underestimate the government’s forward thinking. I have no doubt at all they have workshopped all possibilities and have a Plan B ready to go.
Look at how quickly they have moved when they have needed to, and in every case it has cut the Libs off at the knees to the extent that their responses have been hysterical and full of hyperbowl.
This government is full of people who are playing the long game. It mightn’t look pretty at the moment, but don’t discount the amount of collateral damage the Liberal are sustaining as a result of their own short game.
There is still 18 months to go and, from my speaking to people, Abbott is being viewed less and less as a viable alternative PM.
He might have tried – and succeeded – to drag the PM down to his level, but the real issue that drives peoples votes, their hip pockets, will win out in 2013.
THE BISONs NEVER LIE!!!
The corroboration come from the Liberal Party. afair
kezza2:
Just wanted to say that I support your comments on this matter.
I’ve said all along that there is a dreadful double standard applied by some when it comes to the PM, compared with those PMs who preceded her.
Danny’s and OPT’s comments have illustrated this perfectly.
[THE BISONs NEVER LIE!!!]
On the other hand, the Murdoch press …
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/exclusive-hunt-on-the-brink-as-he-is-accused-of-misleading-parliament-7687530.html
Were abbott elected PM,think this would be the case with murdoch and abbott,their is an article where murdoch actually states he supports abbott.
Danny Lewis
[Labor needs to find a new way of cutting through that avoids the media.
Good luck with that one, but that is our current political reality.]
Agree with you on that!
Danny,
Abbott has taken his checkers to a Grand Master Chess match.
I was thinking who was, opposition leader when howard- m has his first term ..
Was it Simon crean,
Pretend for one minute, howard had minority government, iseem to remember a couple of lib, ministers, in hot water over something.
I could never ever see Simon, behaving in the way abbott has,
Bloody hell. I mean “people vote with their hip pockets”.
Fingers and brain not cooperating.
womble
http://www.smh.com.au/national/howard-learnt-danger-of-a-rat-in-the-ranks-20111125-1nz7t.html
[THE BISONs NEVER LIE!!!]
And the polls do, we have seen polls like this, in both directions, but come election night it always seems to be close.
How far was Lathem Ahead before he lost? You think Lathem was flaky, Abbott takes flaky to a level.
[Pyne was on Sky earlier saying that Howard refused to accept Colston’s vote – can anyone remember that far back??? I’m guessing that’s once it didn’t matter any more???]
After Coulston voted to sell Telstra Howard didn’t give a stuff about his vote.
[Excellent! I am loving this govt and the stuff that it’s doing.]
Fess, I have my NBN burnt-orange & white invitation “to a community information session” next Saturday 11am – 3pm.
So you can imagine how much I am loving this govt and the stuff that it’s doing
Danny Lewis @ 3063
He was a flake. Before he was leader some in the media called him an ‘ideas man’. He was in a way, but the ideas were whacky IMHO.
Sex is not an appropriate criteria for ANY office, including Prime Minister.
Once I got over my initial shock I wished her well and hoped for success.
My hopes were dashed during the inept 2010 election campaign and from that point I have had increasing doubts.
I similarly did initially hope that I was wrong about Latham and that he might cut it. I soon went back to my original position. One thing I must say is that I never could figure out what all the fuss was about ‘that’ handshake.
Posted Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 6:19 pm | Permalink
(For the record (since we are on the Ruddstoration topic), I have only every supported the toppling of two ALP leaders – Bob Hawke over Bill Hayden and Kevin Rudd over Kim))
But danny these where all oppp. Leaders different scenario
Oh Danny Lewis @ 3076
[I think many on here either mistunderstand, mistrust or underestimate the government’s forward thinking. I have no doubt at all they have workshopped all possibilities and have a Plan B ready to go.
Look at how quickly they have moved when they have needed to, and in every case it has cut the Libs off at the knees to the extent that their responses have been hysterical and full of hyperbowl.
This government is full of people who are playing the long game. It mightn’t look pretty at the moment, but don’t discount the amount of collateral damage the Liberal are sustaining as a result of their own short game.
There is still 18 months to go and, from my speaking to people, Abbott is being viewed less and less as a viable alternative PM.
He might have tried – and succeeded – to drag the PM down to his level, but the real issue that drives peoples votes, their hip pockets, will win out in 2013.]
In turn: Gillard – forward thinking, Plan B, are we in the same country?
She moved quickly???
Abbott viewed less and less as alternative PM – isn’t he and his party ascending in the polls?
So now it’s all hip pockets, not policies, not trust, not carbon tax, just money. Phew, that’s easy.
From a conservative position, Mr Abbott’s response to both of these issues (Thomson and Slipper) should’ve been to leave them alone and let the ALP get pilloried by the media while keeping your hands clean. A silent opposition on this would’ve been far more unnerving than a loud one
Instead they’ve created a rather nasty situation where if they’re both cleared, there will be questions asked about the Coalition’s conduct. Yes, the PM made a judgement call that has blown up in her face (for now) but I think this is another example of overreach from Abbott
http://www.smh.com.au/national/mogul-in-the-corner-20110521-1exun.html
Halfway down murdoch states his editors are doing his bidding and he supports abbott ,other articles he says it as well.
For what it is worth both BHP and Rio have issued statements confirming they had no dealings with Julia Gillard re any agreement on the MRRT until AFTER she became PM.
This was actually reported in the Australian.
Please move on. It is all “Groundhog Day 27 ”
Re the events of today. We sit here and gaze at our navels and pick apart every minor in and out of political events. Which I love BTW.
But really we do not matter in the overall scheme of things. The one question to be answered is what will the non political think.
Will they worry about one vote here or there on the floor of the HOR or will they just read the headlines about the PM acting and drawing a line ?
I have given up trying to guess but I think with the limited attention span they show ATM the second has just as much chance as the former.
cheers.
On Colston!
[The Howard government gained his vote for crucial legislation such as the sale of a third of Telstra, but it was also forced to block Senate inquiries into his misdeeds.]
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-29/boat-carrying-164-asylum-seekers-found-near-christmas-is/3978940
Come on Gillard and Bowen, send them all back to Indonesia. It’s a snip says Tone!
Spur2123092
Hit the nail on the head.
“A line has been crossed”
Almost a bad a euphemism as “We’d lost our way”
as well, re mining.
The Mining Council of Australia supports the MRRT.
F**k Twiggy.
thanks MTBW – interesting read in hindsight, was always a massive gamble on Slipper