I have had occasion on this site to mock those who like to predict what the results of looming opinion polls might be. GhostWhoVotes relates that tomorrow’s Newspoll offers an excellent case study on this count: the Coalition’s two-party preferred lead has narrowed since a fortnight ago from 55-45 to 53-47, with Labor’s primary vote up three to 35 per cent (their best result since March last year) and the Coalition’s down one to 45 per cent. However, the script has been followed with respect to Julia Gillard, whose approval rating has plunged six points to 26 per cent while her disapproval rating is up seven to 64 per cent. However, Tony Abbott too has taken a bit hit, down five points on approval to a new low of 31 per cent and up five on disapproval to 57 per cent. Preferred prime minister is little changed, with Abbott’s lead down from 40-37 to 38-36.
UPDATE: The poll also has Kevin Rudd leading Julia Gillard as preferred Labor leader 53 per cent to 28 per cent, which is little changed on where the provisional result published on Friday night had it (53 per cent to 30 per cent), or when Newspoll last posed the question a month ago (52 per cent to 30 per cent).
Ian 334 great post
gus
[the argys did take out few destroyers and the cargo ship with the copters]
Yeah, but what would be the chance of that if we invaded NZ. It’s just begging for us to annexe it.
dio
where u quoting the market from?
Henry
Andrew Leigh is probably the best qualified economist, and one of the best intellects in the Federal ALP. He is making his mark as a thought leader, and it would not suprise if he makes ParlSec or junior minister in this, his first term.
He is non aligned, and of course is supporting JG.
Henry,
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/life-as-a-wonk-is-complete-after-surprise-affirmation-20120225-1tvif.html
My son is pretty upset by it all he rang me this afternoon , the missing kid has a medical issue which could have something to do with his disappearance. He did go in the water and hasn’t been seen since. Son has a very close and tight knit group of mates who all went to school together.
gus
IASbet. They also have the colour of Rudd’s tie and Julia’s jacket!
http://www.iasbet.com/bet/politics/australian-federal-election/outrights?ev_oc_grp_id=501950
ducky
justice4daniel @justice4daniel
Dramatic new evidence at #Leveson expected to unleash a “bloodbath” of bitter recriminations between police &CPS http://tinyurl.com/72y49wb
I claim intellectual copywright on the Thatcher – Rt. Hon J Gillard analogy.
Couple of things, Shows On.
Firstly Poss’s “flat lining” chart is essentially for the December / January holiday period, when people aren’t that involved and the polls are fewer & further between.
Secondly, they don’t include the current polls.
Thirdly, if you include the current polls & also take August, Sept, October or even early November as a starting point , you see the trend continues to be in the Govt’s favour.
gusface,
Could be some long nights ahead.
And the Steel Lady
dio
derryn was quoting sportsbet
that 4.50 seems a tad overcooked
gusface
[poroti
the argys did take out few destroyers and the cargo ship with the copters]
The most deadliest was the plane them pomgolians laughed off at the start of the “debate” the then core of the Kiwi airforce the A4 Skyhawks. They just kept coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdsjkHjmhVo
You won’t read about this in Oz MSM.
[Dramatic new evidence to the Leveson inquiry this week is expected to unleash a “bloodbath” of bitter recriminations between police and prosecution officials arguing over failings in a series of investigations into allegations of phone hacking, computer hacking and bribery by journalists.]
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/exclusive-was-sun-on-sunday-brought-forward-to-beat-revelations-7441050.html
[I claim intellectual copywright on the Thatcher – Rt. Hon J Gillard analogy.]
Rossmore, you will hear from Finns & Boerwar Fukushima Inc Patent Attorney, often with a horsey head.
[336
ShowsOn
Oh bloody hell. Of course there has been a trend to Labor since then. If an election was held back then, Labor would’ve been lucky to win 25 seats!
I am talking about the trend back to Labor that started in about October, but then from about mid November it has flatlined.]
Think of it as a period of consolidation, SO. Abbott-fatigue is starting to set in. The economy is now about the only thing that matters, imo. If employment growth returns to SE Australia, interest rates remain low, inflation is muted and the budget is brought to surplus as promised – all being important and positive things in themselves – then the Government will be able to attract support away from the Liberals.
[Thirdly, if you include the current polls & also take August, Sept, October or even early November as a starting point , you see the trend continues to be in the Govt’s favour.]
When is the last time Newspoll, Galaxy, or Nielsen had Labor on 50 or 51?
Ian @ 334,
Fine words. Thanks.
I have a copyright issue with Sophie.
I post a bit about Scylla, Charybdis and Ulysses and two days later she tweets about the three of them!
Who does she think she is, Julie Bishop?!
I dont know how others feel, but Albanese’s statement that deposing Rudd wasnt right, and wasnt good, and should be reversed on principle (even if it isn’t in practice) has actually made me feel less bitter about it all.
Whatever happens tomorrow, I hope thats a wider feeling on the left of centre.
rossmore
the gillard analogy has been used to align with
boudiccea
st joan
liz 1
both pankhursts
liz2
maggie
whatsherface from LOTR
and even the ukrainian lass
Interestingly one of my fib mates, compares her to golda
he dont like her per se, but is V aware of her abilty
thats JG’s secret
The Finnigans
Horsey seems relaxed 🙂
finns
whatcha done to horsey?
[Rod Hagen
Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 10:54 pm | Permalink
Couple of things, Shows On.
Firstly Poss’s “flat lining” chart is essentially for the December / January holiday period, when people aren’t that involved and the polls are fewer & further between.
Secondly, they don’t include the current polls.
Thirdly, if you include the current polls & also take August, Sept, October or even early November as a starting point , you see the trend continues to be in the Govt’s favour.]
It extends into Feb (although not this weeks series of polls of course)
The current polls are 55 (Essential), 54 (Galaxy) and 53 (ACN and Newspoll) so the flatline of 54 is not likely to change much
Finally, the most obvious explanation for poor Gillard polling in conjunction with good ALP polling is that a large cohort of pollees think Rudd is coming back. Once that washes through I suspect we have a reaction to the turmoil and any semblance of trend back will be well and truly gone…
[ShowsOn
Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Permalink
Thirdly, if you include the current polls & also take August, Sept, October or even early November as a starting point , you see the trend continues to be in the Govt’s favour.
When is the last time Newspoll, Galaxy, or Nielsen had Labor on 50 or 51?]
March 2012, you heard it from me first.
Finnegans@ 368 – on what basis?
Gus: I prefer the Reddy analogy. Do you think Finns will put it to music?
I am Gillard, hear me roar
Poll numbers too small to ignore
And we know too much to go back to Kevin
’cause we’ve heard it all before
Primary votes down there on the floor
No one’s ever gonna bring him back again
CHORUS
Oh yes I will lie
It’s wise if you’ve lots to gain
Yes, I’ve paid the price
Cos now I’m stuck with Wayne
If Ive got to go NOT TO KEVIN
I am wrong (wrong)
I am so beatable (beatable)
I am woe….ful
You can bend but never break me
’cause it only serves to make me
More determined to reject my prior views
And I come back even stronger
Not a commie any longer
Now I’ve sold out to rendition in Malaysia
CHORUS
I am woman watch me grow
See me standing toe to toe
As I spread my lovin’ arms across the land
But I’m still for education
Well, till focus groups say let it go
That’s my mojo, you understand?
Oh yes I will lie
It’s wise if you’ve lots to gain
Yes, I’ve paid the price
Cos now I’m stuck with Wayne
If Ive got to go NOT TO KEVIN
I am wrong (wrong)
I am so beatable (beatable)
I am woeful
Oh, I am woman
I am risible
I am wrong
FADE
I am woman
I am risible
I am wrong
I am Gillard
gusface
[finns
whatcha done to horsey?]
See 373
[Rod,
Don’t waste your breath.
Shows On is a cretin of no particular brains. Now that he’s lost comprehensively he’ll descend into complete vitriol.]
He isn’t speaking! He is typing at a computer you moron! These are the idiotic things that you write that make people think you have no idea what you are doing.
You’re the one that walked away from your trend claim and just repeated the standard GIllardista gambit that the polls will improve before the election without explaining how or why.
[373
lefty e
I dont know how others feel, but Albanese’s statement that deposing Rudd wasnt right, and wasnt good, and should be reversed on principle (even if it isn’t in practice) has actually made me feel less bitter about it all.]
Albo is a champ….He is a real energy source for the Government and, I’m sure you’re right, his statements will have a healing effect.
Rod,
Have a look at Catsaras analysis this morning. He also articulated that Government’s can win elections with 49% of the vote. Every time a Party has won with 49% it has been the Governing Party (He said it was either 7 or 12 times).
Thanks for that link TLBD.
What an impressive fellow is Leigh.
Just hope he doesnt get chewed up, spat out and disillusioned by party politics.
We need his sort of thoughtful policy nous in the body politic.
I tend to think so Briefly. Gillard – or Rudd – should make him deputy PM.
53-47 seems to be the common number now… which isn’t bad at all for this point in the cycle… “the ALP is doomed” line seems more than a tad overdone to me.
I remember the Lib vote going up after a few weeks of in-fighting between Howard and Costello when their written agreement was pulled out of someone’s wallet.
Perhaps leadership fights aren’t as bad as the common wisdom suggests? It’s not like the ALP is divided on policy anyway.
gus
Same with me.
That’s the problem with betting odds. You don’t know if they represent smart money or dumb money. They are just money.
And when is bloody Newspoll going to put out the Rudd data!!!
[Greensborough Growler
Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Permalink
Rod,
Have a look at Catsaras analysis this morning. He also articulated that Government’s can win elections with 49% of the vote. Every time a Party has won with 49% it has been the Governing Party (He said it was either 7 or 12 times).]
Yes, but in this case that would mean a >1% swing AWAY from the government from the current state of seats (72 for ALP) which is not going to get you to 76 in any way shape or form.
[March 2012, you heard it from me first.]
Cute.
For all intents and purposes Labor’s vote, going by a trend, is still stuck at 54.
Yes I take into account the 53s of the last week, however, I think these polls are a bit special case because of the events of the last week.
So let’s wait another fortnight and see what happens. If Gillard is re-elected tomorrow, I suspect that 55s will be more likely than 53s because there will be a bunch of people pissed that Rudd wasn’t made leader.
WB
[Would anyone care to comment on Julia Gillard’s 26 per cent approval rating?]
Dio
[Meh. Let’s see what it is in a few months.]
Best way to look at it Dio
briefly
albo is one mean mofo
a fat little farqer
but he is our FLF
and the best FLF around
forget Jg and clean air
watch the FLF go pyrotechnic
And Showson…………….
Many of us for months have acknowledged the 5% pv that has gone missing for Labor – and a vital 5% it is.
However, if there some validity in the claim that the current 3% jump to Labor is due to the Rudd factor, it means the AWOL 5% is not very firmly in the hands of the conservatives – a point many have made.
If this is the case, it has just come back so willingly to the Labor brand.
Not putting too much store in the actual 47% but it is the trend my friend – the trend.
It is bumpy but it seems to be moving in the one direction – upwards and for Labor not stuck as you claim.
All the polls have been moving in the same direction for weeks – and not to the conservatives whose potential vote has peaked.
Thank god for Tony Abbott!
As you are right to point out – an election tomorrow without the benefit of an election campaign, based on a 53-47 split, would mean the lost of many seats by Labor.
But sport, we know there ain’t going to be an election tomorrow. Just a political party picking an effective leader over a popular one.
Now, as you are a seeming expert in these matters, the closer Labor steams to 50-50 and maybe beyond this, suddenly a raft of Liberal seats come into play with the skinniest of margins – like 1-2%.
Time is on Labor’s side.
The end result for the conservatives is likely to be another 3 years of unproductive opposition. But then they are good at that – I mean unproductive opposition.
Gusface @ 362 – thanks, I withdraw the copyright claim. But I am rather attached to The Steel Lady analogy.
Perhaps William could settle this trend debate once and for all.
[Gillard plunge and she’s in to $1.03
Rudd blown out to $10 ]
Why does he bother
[Have a look at Catsaras analysis this morning. He also articulated that Government’s can win elections with 49% of the vote. Every time a Party has won with 49% it has been the Governing Party (He said it was either 7 or 12 times).]
Oh DEAR MY LORD! What the crap are you going on about! 49% would be a 1.1% swing away from Labor, which in all probability would translate to a loss of a bunch of seats.
If you seriously think Labor can go from a hung parliament to winning with a swing away from them you are in dreamland.
[380
ShowsOn
……a cretin ….lost comprehensively….complete vitriol.
……you moron! …….idiotic …… you have no idea]
Blogging at its informative, temperate and reasoned best…….!
OK.here is the current PB Kevenge Sweepsyake numbers.
1 brazillion (unconfirmed) Greentard
187 (unconfirmed) TP
44 Son of Zoomster
43 WeWantPaul
42 Scorpio
41 Centaur009 , Mr Squiggle
40 lefty e
39 Mod Lib
38 Darn, Gary Sparrow
37 Dyno , Luckydave
36 shellbell
35 BH , stanny
34 p m z , ltep
33 Andrew , BH , dave , ShowsOn
32 Super,vitalise, DavidWH ,madcyril, Tom Hawkins, slackboy72
31 Centre, Boerwar, mari , bluegreen
30 BK, mexicanbeemer
29 Think Big ,outside left ,Gary, fiz
28 muttleymcgee, zoidlord ,robot ,Rossmore , HaveAchat, Harry “Snapper” Organs, Rod Hagen
27 Tricot, confessions, Bushfire Bill ,Diogenese ,Boinzo , rosemour
26 Poroti ,womble
25 It’s Time ,Dan Gulberry , Aguirre , Mick Collins , Paul_J , citizen , The Finnigans
24 AJ Canberra ,TLBD ,Lord Barry Bonkton , jeffmu ,Michael Cusack
23 Imacca,smithe ,Dr Fumbles McStupid , kevjohnno, briefly
22 Danny Lewis ,political animal
21 fredn ,Puff, the Magic Dragon ,Gorgeous Dunny
20 Jaeger, janice2 , sohar
19 Last name red wombat
18 Guface , oyster
17 kezza2, Scringler ,cog, cybercynicagain
10 Ctar , rummel
3 canasta76
A very brave -13 deflationite
– 1 brazillion (Team Rudd default) Oakeshott Country ,jenauthor , JohD
and about to close
Black Caviar sometimes runs at $1.03.
rossm
u can own that one
🙂