Further dispatches to keep the ball rolling until the glorious day when paged comments return:
• Nicole Hasham of the Illawarra Mercury reports on possible successor to Liberal MP Joanna Gash in the southern NSW seat of Gilmore. The front-runner is said to be Shoalhaven deputy mayor Andrew Guile, a one-time staffer to Gash who is evidently not on good terms with his former employer. According to the report, the South Coast Register published a letter from Gash in August which criticised Guile for sharing a $1080 meal with other councillors at a Sydney restaurants at which various preselections were said to be discussed, including her own. Also named as a possible contender is Gash’s “close Liberal associate” Clive Brooks, who “owns South Nowra business Great Southern Motorcycles”.
• The Daily Telegraph reports Craig Laundy, “general manager of his father Arthur’s $500 million hotel empire”, has Tony Abbott’s backing for preselection in the central western Sydney seat of Reid. According to the report, “a senior Liberal source said Mr Laundy had been to see Mr Abbott, party president Arthur Sinodinos, state director Mark Neeham and moderate faction leader Michael Photios about his run for the seat”. He may face opposition in the shape of Dai Le, ABC Radio National producer and two-time state candidate for Cabramatta.
• Christian Kerr and Lauren Wilson of The Australian report that some in the Nationals camp hope the party might be able to poach the New South Wales seat of Hume from the Liberals if Alby Schultz retires as expected at the next election, by fielding Senator Fiona Nash as their candidate. One virtue of the plan is said to be that Nash is seen as “a possible party leader, a more stable alternative to (Barnaby) Joyce”.
• Similarly, the WA Nationals are said to be hopeful of winning Durack if the current Liberal member Barry Haase does not contest the next election, “as many predict”.
And it’s goodnight from BK.
Is this the fair dinkum Barnaby!
night BK
Why is Barnaby so sad?
Thefinnigans TheFinnigans天地有道人无道
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@Barnaby_Joyce
yep, it’s a bit like you Barnaby, all over the place
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drake:
That Leigh Howard twitter feed is gold.
Thanks for the heads up.
In this case it will do, but, the grounding isn’t industrial action.
The lockout flagged for Monday is Qantas’ industrial action.
It’s an interesting situation. We could end up in a bizarre situation where down the track Qantas argues that in a legal sense they did not actually take any industrial action at all since FWA ordered NO, before they got the chance to take the action they gave notice of??
Someone should ask Joyce why we should not outsource his job to Asia ? It would save millions. He earns more than 3 times what Cathay Pacific’s CEO earns. Whilst when hard times struck JAL
Qantas, Cth, NSW, QLD all want termination of industrial action, unions want suspension.
poroti:
A question for shareholders perhaps?
Kenny means once he and his other Murdoch mates get stuck into the Unions and pronounce the JG PMship dead because they caused the problems. Meanwhile most of us know that Joyce made a fool of himself and Qantas this weekend.
No worries Confessions
deblonay
who knows the effects of stopping 68,000 people … many indeed are travelling for emergency, many are sick … joyce is inhuman
BH
Do you believe that for once the public will see beyond the Qantas propaganda?
At least with a politician they can be voted out. Mistakes in choosing Judges are basically for life. Also they are political appointees to start with, or put differently appointed by politicians.
As usual its not straight forward.
my say
how will this dispute be a turning point? will it galvanise gillard to act more forthrightly, do you mean. she must be fuming, the timing is atrocious. irish economic trash.
hospitals cannot be closed due to disputes, neither can essentail services. i think air transport is an essential services with many humanitarian not to mention economic roles. joyce is an economic terrorist
It was a decision of the Qantas board of directors, many of whom have directorships or other close ties with the mining industry. In that context, I find it interesting that the mining tax is imminent on the government’s agenda.
muttley
yep
hence the #sackjoyce #deportjoyce tags
Victoria, not sure, I hope the public understand this was not a strike
my sons girl friend didn’t understand till I explained, but then she is a nurse and work s shifts,
When I explained about joyce an his big wage. And what yh bag handlers want, she realized,
I wonder if these chiefs understand, the need the indians, to survive,
All a case of most thing now, too many chiefs to well paid.
Take wage cut and give as bit to the workers. And the productivit and moral would go sky high.
Think out side the square and stop thinking of number one,
D
Qantas threatening to defy orders if it doesn’t get what it wants.
Cheap seats anyone?
drake
Qantas rep during cross exam siad they would accept decision of the commission. Wtf are they saying now?
leigh_howard leigh_howard
Q: under Fw Act, lockout is the only pro-employer tool. A suspension removes #Qantas’ only tool
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If the commission orders the industrial actions be terminated then i suspect that will only apply (in the employers case) to the planned lockout starting Monday.
Now since Qantas seems to be taking the position that the current no notice grounding is incidental to this, and not the action itself, FWA probably doesn’t have the power to order them to fly their aircraft.
victoria – depends almost entirely on how it is reported. I remember that when Hawkie pulled the Ansett strike buster the media was right behind him.
This time we’ve had the stupid mantra of this is Gillard’s test and if she fails it, she’s gone. What sort of rubbish is that to spread around. For the media it’s all about the politics and nothing much about policy or issues. Even Uhlmann, altho giving a fair report, ended it with some garbage about Labor getting everything wrong so they’d better get this right.
The cynicism in the journo pack is something to behold and it spoils democracy for us. The reporting of CHOGM as achieving nothing said it all. Of course it wasn’t earth shattering but who in their right mind expected it to be. It did give all those people access to our country and to get a taste of our hospitality. I thought Perth and WA did us proud by what I saw of it.
Can’t wait for November when JG’s new bloke starts handling the media.
Vic,
They are now saying they may not resume flights under an order to suspend their industrial action. This would increase the perception of the FWA being ineffective and of the government being incompetent. In other words, give us what we want or we’ll act unlawfully and increase pressure on the government.
BH
If we are to rely on the reportage, the govt lose
How prophetic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kji8arr7l0U
lizsinnott liz
by aleisha_71
I’VE WORKED IT OUT PEEPS!!! Alan Joyce is the love child of Alan Jones & Barnaby Joyce! now it all makes perfect sense! LMAO
leigh_howard leigh_howard
Pilots begin their final submission. Arthur Moses SC #Qantas
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The reaction in our family caught up I. This was to be truthful
One family member who was trying to get home today, now poor thing is in a que getting on virgin
She had had a dreadful week, and did not need this,
thanks mr joyce,
; the. Little shits just text me, . , she said This was last night of course
So this extended family member is blaming qaint ones
And understood who was to blame, so let’s hope every one does,
from the FWA website – if qantas don’t comply, they can be injucted to do so, or face contempt.
Companies always have the option of pulling up stumps, and closing down if it gets really nasty – which it might
If they choose to terminate, FWA can’t terminate the industrial action of just one of the parties, must terminate both.
There you go, victoria. Frank has posted that piece and it shows exactly how the ABC has become as bad as Murdoch. What is the Govt. embarrassed about?
If I were Albanese I’d be going in really hard about Qantas once the FWA has handed down a decision. Albanese needs to ask Abbott some questions about Reith and he needs to make a connection between Bailleau, O’Farrell and Abbott all calling for the Govt. to intervene on Friday when they all know that Qantas could have done it alone.
Joyce says he has the support of big business and I smell rats everywhere.
BH:
I’ve posted a comment on the previous thread comparing today with 1989, and noting that Hawke govt lined up behind Abeles in the pilots dispute of 1989. Murdochia played along (according to commenter), and boosted the govt simply because Hawke govt did what Abeles wanted.
Wondered if it was true recollection, as I was too young to recall events back then. Unfortunately the blog where the comment was posted is down, and comment can’t be retreived in its entirety, but you’ll be able to find it scrolling to previous thread here.
Re ulman
My oh. Often says. Well how so, why do u say that and wht would you have personally done
He often interviews. The screen, while I run screaming from the room, don’t give this show
Ratings turn it off,
Well I just remembered. The little ones wake at 5
BTW
Joyce inititaed this action under Fair Work provisions- his words
Unions worked out years ago that if you want public support you don’t stuff them around. The fuel strikes in Melbourne in the 70’s was the beginning of the waning of union power. I wonder if Joyce will be here long enough to learn the lesson or if he will be shipped back to Ireland.
Qantas lock out starts to bite.
http://www.nme.com/news/kings-of-leon/60092
I believe there are 2 separate actions – the lockout of employees, which is the industrial action on the part of Qantas, which hasn’t started yet, and the grounding of the planes which is NOT industrial action, it’s an operational decision of Qantas.
FWA can order the lockout to be suspended/terminated (along with any action planned by the unions at the same time of course), but they can’t order Qantas to fly their planes.
However, what this basically will mean is Qantas will be incurring all wages expenses for everyone sitting around doing nothing – they’ll be losing their $30-$50 million a day without earning revenue for services.
Qantas don’t have the cash to do this for more than 2 to 3 weeks. I’d be interested to see if anyone believes their bluff.
geoff
Then it’s not a good idea to leave essential services in the hands of an entity whose sole motivation is profit is it.
If it is “essential”, then it’s essential (ahem) to leave it in taxpayers hands for the benefit of all.
who will volunteer for the punishment?
But linked to the industrial action, as we’ve heard from Joyce, Reith, PvO and other union bashers.