The latest result from Roy Morgan combines its last two weekends of face-to-face polling from a sample of 1776, and finds the Labor primary vote recovering slightly to 35 per cent (up 1.5 per cent on the weekend of June 4-5), the Coalition steady on 46.5 per cent and the Greens down half a point to 11.5 per cent. On the two-party preferred measure that allocates preferences as per the result of the previous election (my favourite), the Coalition’s lead has gone from 54-46 to 53.5-46.5; it’s down more substantially on the respondent-allocated measure favoured by Morgan (lately), from 56.5-43.5 to 54.5-45.5.
Now it’s time for PB Chart of the Week, a feature that may or may not live up to its name over the long term. With Labor polling disastrously in every jurisdiction, I thought it might be instructive to plot the party’s federal and state voting performance since the inception of Newspoll in late 1985 (I’ve started at the beginning of 1986 for the sake of neatness). The chart below shows combined quarterly measures for Labor’s two-party vote, both federally (which is quite straightforward) and at state level (a population-weighted result with the larger states accounting for proportionally greater shares of the result, and Tasmania excluded because Newspoll doesn’t do them regularly).
What we see is that the party’s federal and state fortunes do seem to be quite closely related. While Labor was travelling better at federal than state level from 1986 to 1990 and again since 2008, they tended to move up and down (actually just down more recently) in tandem within those periods. However, this may be because the respondents for Newspoll’s federal and state surveys are usually the same people. The two lines sat very closely together throughout the 1990s, but decoupled as Labor achieved state-level dominance in the Howard years. The impression more recently is of the federal line chasing the tail of the states, although recent form suggests the downward federal trend wouldn’t have bottomed out yet.
If the results don’t quite bear out talk of Labor being in record-breaking dire straits at present at least to the extent that they do not appear in a worse position than in the twilight of the Keating years it should be noted that the picture would look worse for them if I was using the primary vote rather than two-party preferred.
UPDATE (27/6/11): Essential Research: 55-45 (steady). Coalition 48% (+1), Labor 32% (-1), Greens 11% (-1). “If Kevin Rudd was Labor leader”, 45 per cent say they would vote Labor against 42 per cent for the Coalition, with Labor leading 53-47 on two-party. Similarly, the Coalition leads 59-41 if Malcolm Turnbull was leader. In both cases I suggest you have to account for mischief-making by supporters of the other party.

You still don’t get it Evan. The people and the polls didn’t ask Rudd to stand down. The parliamentary party did. Not because of the polls. They wanted rid of him because of his leadership style!
fess,
HSO.
george
It certainly deserves to be published. 🙂
What is wrong with Robert McClelland?
Both Rudd and Emerson are Cabinet Ministers. When you say ‘inside the tent’, what exactly do you mean? That the tent is pitched in the grounds of the Lodge?
Hello! What about the GST?
You know full well the cheapest way to deal with carbon pollution is to price it. You also know that about half the Liberal partyroom knows it is the only economically sane thing to do, and they are simply opposing it for purely political reasons.
Apple
I can assure you, having used several different pseudo whatsits in my blogging life, that your arguments are treated very differently when other posters assume you’re a male.
I got outed by Diog, having managed to remain mysteriously sexless for about three years (by which time, it didn’t matter….)
ducky
stum
harry aint the only one
😉
Clare is a factional ally of Mark Arbib. Still interested?
No 106
I knew there was a reason why ‘tard’ is in your name.
I’m flagging. Time to say goodnight Bludgers.
goedenacht BK
No, the only threat to Sovereign risk is Abbott\’s bullshit promise to repeal the carbon price, which he knows he won\’t actually be able to do because he won\’t be able to get it through the Senate.
vp:
I see HSO comment in other places with her actual name (gravatar is the same), so I guess I don’t code her as male, despite her screen name here.
But yes, from screen name she’s ‘male’.
Gusface,
I know.
No names, no pack drill.
Zoomster, so, do you recommend celibacy after your experience of three years?
What is your position? Do nothing on climate change? Or the Abbott proposal of increasing taxes in order to fund inefficient pork barrel carbon abatement projects that the Productivity Commission cost more and achieve less abatement?
A carbon price is the market solution, you seem to be proposing a Marxist / Leninist non-solution.
Without protraction, I think that was Gusface’s point. But you’d be better asking him & perhaps view all the posts concerning this subject.
The GST destroyed other taxes it wasnt purely a revenue raiser for the government who had spent like a drunken sailor!
Tax and Spend it’s the same thing we get from Labor every time they’re in office!
Scarps
GOLD GOLD GOLD
except finns
I have always worried about him
who does one tell if a dolfinn is male or female?
Here we go AGAIN! Ugh! Glen, what tax were you paying on a cup of coffee BEFORE the GST?
Gusface,
You do swimming commentary?
Gus, like Finns they don’t care…
I’m not responding to you so stop directing me to answer questions period!
You ask, very politely.
Yes, please stop directing your questions to him, otherwise he may have to come up with facts, and evidence, and such
ducky
why thank you
sometimes you do swimmingly well too
🙂
Do we have Fire Behaviorists
The carbon taxes and mining taxes aren\’t purely revenue raisers either they both are designed to achieve clear policy objectives.
The carbon tax prices carbon pollution to encourage PRIVATE investment in clean energy tech, while the mining tax provides a fairer return for what are finite resources. We need the money, what exactly is Australia going to sell to the rest of the world in 80 years when most of our iron ore has gone?
If you don\’t support a market price on carbon pollution, but you support some form of action on climate change, then you will ultimately have to propose raising other taxes and / or cutting other spending in order for the government to fund billions and billions worth of abatement projects. If you oppose the carbon tax, you should at least have the intellectual honesty to name what other taxes you\’ll increase. Income taxes? Company tax? The GST perhaps? What about proposing another tax surcharge on big businesses, that\’s what the Liberals did at the last election.
Add to this the fact the Coalition\’s \’soil magic\’ policy is a load of wishful thinking that will simply be a waste of money:
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3179336.htm
Grattan at her usual decisive best:
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/many-unhappy-returns-20110623-1gh8d.html#ixzz1QC8VwRrk
Rudd might be a problem, but if Gillard harnesses him he won’t be. She might be there next year, and then again she mightn’t. It could be good, or it could be bad.
The only people still obsessing over this Rudd v. Gillard thing are the not-the-media insiders and a couple of gormless PB contributors.
They take turns to “write it up”. Everyone has to have their version of events, like the endless series of articles we got on the “Sauce Bottle” fiasco/debacle/catastrophe/non-event.
They’re queueing up to have their digs.
There is no election. There is no challenge. Rudd has no support. The Plebiscite never even got put up for a vote. Abbott is not Prime Minister. Morrison is not Immigration Minister. Hockey is not the Treasurer. The NBN has not failed. The BER was not botched. Pink Batts actually saved lives. Our economy is not in the toilet. Interest rates are not going up.
We are, in short, the envy of the world.
But the Coalition insists they have to destroy Australia in order to save it.
The not-the-media types meanwhile take turns to write the same deadly boring “analysis”, day, after day, after day.
#129, oops – do we have Fire behaviorists in Australia?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/24/us/24wildfires.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha23
Scarps
sprecken ze deutsch?
Clare is genuinely talented – I can forgive him being one of Arbib’s lot.
HoJo is a poster boy? Say it isn’t so!
No 122
Whatever could be said of the GST, Howard put his case to the people and won the 1998 election and two subsequent elections, and for several years the people received substantial income tax cuts.
Katter does like lighting his billy. Does that count?
ducky
joho was pasting his favourite places to eat his daily intake of 10 KFC buckets
a bit like a trip dowm memory lane
No 130
Whenever I see the word ‘fairer’, I put my blinkers on.
Call it the realpolitik; most women would understand my point.
During the 1980s, the Coalition voted against Labor Governments imposing Fringe Benefits Tax, Capital Gains Tax and applying mining royalties to gold (which for absolutely no rational reason was royalty free until 1980).
If Labor imposing taxes is so bad, why didn\’t the Howard government repeal all these taxes when the budget was in surplus?
So did Julia Gillard:
yep
fibs just hate any notion of fairness
just look at worstchoices
GP, so you don’t like blondes?
keep digging
😉
Hang on a second, he lost the 2pp vote at the 1998 election, and just this week Abbott was telling us how important it is to accept the judgement of the people.
Oh of course Abbott also said if the YES case (for a carbon price) wins, he will refuse to change Coalition policy.
No 144
Always loved brunettes.
blinkers are permanent fixtures of the Liberal Proletariat
Would someone like to do a JoHo cut-out and pose it in front of a few KFCs? Could go feral!
If Labor want to retain at least some of the remaining furniture in Queensland, they should keep a lid on Beattie and a few others making unhelpful contributions.