12.04pm. Those postal votes have been very favourable for Labor in Narre Warren North, increasing their lead from 804 to a probably insurmountable 1022.
11.30pm. Awaiting 830 postal votes to be added to the two-party count in Narre Warren North, which I would say is the only thing further we’re likely to get tonight in a significant seat.
11.23pm. 2475 postals added in Narre Warren North, increasing Labor’s lead from 773 to 804.
11.19pm. 2122 postal votes added in Macedon, reducing Labor’s lead from 741 to 719.
11.12pm. Labor leads by 225 votes (0.4 per cent) in Eltham, with 2013 postal votes added to the count.
11.09pm. Hadn’t heard anyone mention Eltham, but it seems Labor still only have their nose in front.
10.59pm. The VEC has added 1958 postal votes from Monbulk, and their lead is now out to 1.9 per cent.
10.53pm. Same story in Narre Warren North – the VEC has Labor ahead 773, the ABC has it at only 190, with much the same number of votes counted. The VEC has a booth on the primary vote that the ABC doesn’t have, and it’s increased the Labor vote 0.4 per cent and reduced the Liberal vote 0.3 per cent.
10.46pm. Actually, the VEC’s figures from Macedon aren’t more advanced than the ABC’s, they’re just different – both have almost exactly 30,600 votes added. So I’ve no idea why the discrepancy.
10.38pm. The ABC computer seems to have a more up-to-date two-party figure from Bentleigh than the VEC. 2538 postal votes have been added in this seat, whereas there are none yet in the other crucial three, but only half have been added to the VEC two-party count. The ABC however seems to have them all, and has the Liberals leading by 624 votes (1.1 per cent) rather than 213 (0.4 per cent).
10.28pm. Now looking at VEC figures, which are further advanced in Macedon and Narre Warren North and have Labor surging ahead in both, with respective leads of 1.2 per cent and 1.8 per cent.
10.17pm. Another Narre Warren North booth turns a 0.3 per cent Labor deficit into a 0.4 per cent surplus.
10.15pm. Antony also has Labor pulling negligibly ahead in Monbulk, with Daniel Andrews sounding confident – “maybe not even in the doubtful column”.
10.14pm. Daniel Andrews claims counts in all booths counted have Labor ahead in Macedon, where the ABC computer projects a 0.4 per cent Liberal lead.
10.11pm. ABC computer count in Bentleigh has caught up with David Davis’s – two booths left to report two-party counts, Liberals ahead 13,302 to 12,690, lead by 1.2 per cent.
10.09pm. Albert Park count goes from 45.4 per cent to 53.8 per cent, Labor lead goes from 0.3 per cent to 0.5 per cent.
10.03pm. David Davis’s latest figures from Bentleigh have Liberals moving further ahead – 11,892 to 11,175, or 1.6 per cent.
9.55pm. Ben Raue on the upper house:
On my count the Coalition has 21 seats out of 40 in the Legislative Council. Labor has at least 13, with the Greens on 3. In North and East Victoria, Labor is competing with the Country Alliance. Country Alliance will win in either region if the Greens knock out Labor, as Labor preferenced the Country Alliance ahead of the Greens. In South East Metro Labor is competing with the Greens, but I’m on the verge of calling it for Labor.
9.50pm. A run through the seats of destiny. Labor trails by 0.2 per cent in Monbulk with 67.5 per cent counted with one booth to come. In Bentleigh the ABC’s figures are behind what we were told earlier, which is that with most (all?) counting done for tonight the Liberal lead is down to 0.4 per cent. In Macedon too Labor trails by 0.4 per cent with one booth to come. Liberals ahead by 0.3 per cent in Narre Warren North with two booths to come. If Labor wins them all it will be 44-44.
9.48pm. Labor confirms it won’t concede tonight – sounding growingly hopeful of hung parliament.
9.43pm. Peter Reith has apparently criticised Antony Green on Sky News for calling the election too early – he’s only sure 11 seats have gone. If Labor can burrow ahead in Bentleigh, Macedon, Narre Warren North and Monbulk, it will a 44-44 hung parliament and a new election.
9.40pm. Labor hanging on to only a slight lead of 0.3 per cent in Albert Park with 45.4 per cent counted.
9.37pm. This is the first federal or state election since South Australian in 1993 in which no independent or minor party candidates have been elected to the lower house.
9.34pm. David Davis relates figures fron Bentleigh with Libs leading 10,303 to 10,129 – a margin of just 0.4 per cent.
9.06pm. With count up from 29 per cent to 35 per cent, Labor has gone from dead level in Albert Park to 0.3 per cent ahead, which Antony expects to continue.
9.02pm. If preferences had gone as they did in 2006, the Greens would be on 56.3 per cent in Melbourne, 52.5 per cent in Richmond, 51.0 per cent in Brunswick and 45.3 per cent in Northcote.
8.57pm. Daniel Andrews says computer is behind on Bentleigh – with one big pro-Labor booth to go, he thinks they could still get there, but with only limited confidence.
8.51pm. Antony can’t see the Liberals winning Albert Park, even though the computer has them 0.1 per cent ahead with 28.6 per cent counted.
8.50pm. Monbulk continuing to go back and forth, Liberals now in front by 0.2 per cent with 66.1 per cent counted.
8.44pm. Labor moves to the lead in Monbulk, by 0.1 per cent, as count progresses from 48 per cent to 65 per cent.
8.43pm. Labor now ahead in Albert Park by the skin of their teeth, after the count progresses from 14 per cent to 21 per cent.
8.41pm. Macedon count up from 56 per cent to 62 per cent, Liberal lead goes from 0.5 per cent to 0.6 per cent, ABC prediction goes from Liberal ahead to Liberal gain, though obviously not on much basis.
8.39pm. ABC TV has 26.3 per cent rather than 18.8 per cent counted in Bentleigh, but the Liberal lead is basically unchanged. But Daniel Andrews expects better of later booths.
8.36pm. If Labor can somehow fluke wins in each of Bentleigh, Monbulk, Macedon, Albert Park, and Narre Warren North, they would still have 44 seats for a hung parliament in the genuine sense of the term. But they’re behind in all. Might want to stop and note the fact that after all the new paradigm talk of late, we now have a Legislative Assembly with no cross-benchers.
8.34pm. Daniel Andrews not giving away Bentleigh, not unreasonably because only 18.8 per cent is counted, although the Liberals lead by 2.5 per cent. Albert Park count remains very slow.
8.30pm. ABC calling Ballarat West for Labor.
8.29pm. Liberal lead in Monbulk only 0.9 per cent, so if you subscribe to the theory they’ll do better on late counting you wouldn’t be giving it away.
8.28pm. ABC now calling Monbulk a Liberal gain.
8.23pm. Labor can’t afford to lose 11 seats, and 12 look definitely gone. Liberal leads in Macedon, Albert Park and Narre Warren North could yet be chased down if late counting does indeed favour Labor.
8.20pm. Albert Park count up from 9 per cent to 13 per cent, Libs still slightly ahead.
8.16pm. ABC calls Bentleigh for Liberal, Yan Yean for Labor.
8.13pm. Slow count in Albert Park.
8.12pm. ABC computer calling Bendigo East for Labor.
8.10pm. Liberals now ahead in Monbulk.
8.09pm. Still lineball in Narre Warren North, but Labor retains Narre Warren South.
8.08pm. Labor retains Ballarat East, loses Bentleigh, ahead in Ballarat West and Eltham.
8.07pm. ABC computer figures update!
8.04pm. Labor in trouble in Oakleigh as well.
8.03pm. Labor looking gone in Mordialloc, but the computer’s not giving it.
8.02pm. ABC party bods not ready to call Prahran yet.
8.00pm. Still waiting for ABC computer results to update …
7.59pm. Maybe Antony wasn’t quite calling it for the Coalition. Daniel Andrews not giving up South Barwon.
7.59pm. Antony calling Prahran and South Barwon for the Liberals.
7.58pm. Craig Ingram concedes defeat. Antony calls the election for the Coalition.
7.56pm. No good news for the Greens.
7.55pm. Labor now looking better in Geelong.
7.54pm. Macedon seems to be better for Labor now, but I say that without the benefit of booth matching.
7.53pm. Antony says he has his internet back, but the website figures haven’t updated yet.
7.52pm. Still tight in Narre Warren North; Labor ahead in Yan Yean.
7.51pm. Liberals home and hosed in Burwood.
7.48pm. No internet connection for the ABC due to technical problems at the totally unnecessary tally room. Liberals well ahead of Prahran, but this electorate is such that you’d need to look at the booth results. Liberals easily ahead in Mitcham and Forest Hill.
7.44pm. I’m counting 11 seats where the Coalition are ahead of Labor, with no figures in from Forest Hill and Mitcham which they will surely win, and nothing from Prahran and Burwood.
7.40pm. Geelong and Albert Park also tight, despite margins of around 10 per cent.
7.39pm. Early 11.5 per cent swing in Macedon – easily enough for it to fall. Narre Warren North lineball.
7.38pm. Labor ahead in Monbulk on early figures.
7.37pm. Labor holding firm in Bendigo East as well as Ripon. So Newspoll looking good, again.
7.36pm. Computer not calling it, but Labor well ahead in Mordialloc.
7.34pm. ABC computer not calling Mount Waverley, but Antony is.
7.29pm. However, Ripon called ALP retain, but Labor merely “ahead” in Yan Yean.
7.25pm. ABC computer calls Gembrook, Carrum and Seymour for the Liberals – the latter two make it very hard for Labor.
7.20pm. Phil Cleary bombing in Brunswick. Greens and Labor level pegging on primary vote.
7.18pm. ABC computer calls Gippsland East a gain for the Nationals from independent Craig Ingram. Labor ahead in Eltham.
7.17pm. Antony detecting overall swing of 6 per cent, more or less where this morning’s polls had it but better for Labor than the exit poll.
7.16pm. Sorry, had that the wrong way around – 65 per cent of those preferences went to LABOR.
7.11pm. Greens get 65 per cent of preferences from first booth reporting in Richmond.
7.08pm. Ballarat East being discussed on the ABC, which Labor weren’t worried about a week ago.
7.07pm. It looks to me like only the entry page on the ABC results is providing booth-matched 2PP results – click on the link and you get raw comparisons. So the swing in Ripon looks like 0.5 per cent and not 11.0 per cent, though it’s early days.
7.01pm. First booth in from Northcote has Greens primary vote on 50.14 per cent – but it’s a new booth, so we can’t match it.
6.59pm. Antony Green detects 7 per cent swing in the metropolitan area, 6 per cent in regional cities.
6.54pm. Antony Green sounding almost ready to call Gippsland East a Nationals gain from independent Craig Ingram.
6.52pm. Overall early swing seems to be under 4 per cent, but this is mostly rural booths where the polling suggested the swing wouldn’t be so big.
6.49pm. In yet more bad news for Labor, Electoral Commissioner Steve Tully reports the weather has hit turnout.
6.47pm. Tiny booth (203 votes), but 22.4 per cent swing against Labor in Ripon.
6.46pm. Five booths in from Mildura, and Nats member Peter Crisp has picked up a booth-matched primary vote swing of 24 per cent. So I wouldn’t bank on Glenn Milne causing an upset.
6.42pm. Two booths and 180 votes, but Craig Ingram down 12 per cent in Gippsland East.
6.40pm. An independent, whom I know nothing about, is supposedly in with a show in Essendon.
6.33pm. A tiny booth in Nationals-held Mildura (81 votes) has supposedly competitive independent Glenn Milne on 5.6 per cent.
6.27pm. To brace yourself for what’s likely to come, Madcyril in comments relates that according to the ABC, Labor is “worried” about Justin Madden’s seat of Essendon (11.7 per cent) – the sort of seat that fell in 1992.
6.19pm. Auspoll finds 11 per cent decided today, 9 per cent last three days, 10 per cent last week, 17 per cent last month and 52 before that – a high proportion of late deciders, if the shift to the Coalition hadn’t already made that clear.
6.13pm. It seems the Auspoll figures are a straight result from the 18 seats targeted, and that this included the four Labor-versus-Greens contests. The upshot of this is that the swing is 8 per cent, putting the Coalition on track for over 50 seats. Bruce Hawkins on Sky News putting vague hope in pre-polls lodged before the late swing favouring Labor.
6.02pm. Primary votes of 35 per cent, 45 per cent and 12 per cent, Brumby leads as preferred premier 43-35.
6pm. Sky News exit poll tips an easy win to the Coalition, with a two-party lead of 54-46. However, I can never be sure what these figures mean – this looks at the 18 most marginal seats rather than a statewide result. What we need to know is the swing. It should also be known that the pollster, Auspoll, has gotten it wrong before.
[1600 blackburnpsephPosted Sunday, November 28, 2010 at 11:35 pm | PermalinkA few years ago I thought Australian politics was possibly moving toward a situation where politics was defined on a cultural level – conservative vs liberal. Though this is happening, it all appears to be happening on the left between the ALP and the Greens on both a cultural and economic level, and it is being played largely in the inner cities. What also seems to be happening is that the Liberal Party vote is holding up remarkably well in areas that are culturally liberal such as the upmarket suburbs south of the river. A while back, I thought that the Libs would have a hard time ever winning Prahran as there was a drift away the Libs to the Greens and the ALP – yesterday the Libs smashed both. Last week, I thought the Greens would push the ALP into 3rd in a lot of safe Liberal seats – not once did it happen. The competitive Libs vs Greens contest is a long way off.
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I think you’ll find that those small l Liberals have “come home to mama” asimply cos of the fact that Ted isn’t the anti-christ like Kennett was and was making those motherhood statements which made the Greens look like the spawn of satan.
I agree with Frank, also in Melbourne the growing booth of Docklands is a strong Liberal booth and also the Liberal vote recovered big time in the East Melbourne booth.
I am still waiting to see the TPP results per booth for more detail.
Mexican @1575
The next redistribution will be in this term. It is possible that the Libs may find themselves back in a notional minority. The biggest seats are in a ring from the north of Melbourne in Yan Yean running around the western side and down into Geelong. There are also some big seats in the outer South East. The Nats in the north and the ALP in the south east suburbs – Oakleigh, Clayton, Dandenong – are the smallest seats. At this stage you could say there would have to be a new seat in the south – east near Pakenham, one around Craigieburn – Sunbury, one around Point Cook, and one in Geelong or the Surf Coast. One Murray Valley seat, one in the south east suburbs, and one in the eastern suburbs, not sure where the other one would come from. Thinking further, it might actually balance out.
Gus
you continue to miss tapistry of th changed game , but Labor internals know , and in fact Lidsay Tanner said it , ditto Richo and Ray , ditto many more i speak to You is still back in 2007 , things and Brown hav changed game themselves , not labor but Labor will react
Blackburn Ps
“The competitive Libs vs Greens contest is a long way off.”
do you mean what Bob Brown said when repeating Pauline Hanson’s 2001 coments We dont want to make th bastards honest we want to replace them (Labor)
Frank
Further examples of my earlier point are that in the federal election there were huge swings towards the libs in both Wentworth and North Sydney. Seats that are both culturally liberal but turned in huge liberal votes . Admittedly both MPs are very good fits for their seats.
Glen,
[I am cautiously optimistic that a small l Liberal government should last some time in Victoria. ]
Four years? 😉
Ron
if your authority supercedes one JG let me know
🙂
otherwise I suggest red know’s best
Ron
It is possible that the Greens will be the second placegetters in some safe Liberal seats in Sydney and Melbourne – the Greens did come second in some seats in the 2007 NSW election, but it will be a long second. I don’t think the Greens can supersede the ALP because the Greens are too sectional – they are not a broad church (to use the hackneyed phrase) – they have a certain appeal but it is not wide enough to win votes because as certain of their policies have a big turn off value for lots of people. I don’t think the ‘holier than thou’ and preachiness help either. I think yesterday they hit a wall, and I don’t think they have realised it yet.
Scorp ,
Libs may last a shorter time than 4 yrs !
Current looks like Libs 45/41 with prob Lab holds in Albert Pk , Ballarat East & Narre Nth with over 1000 lead and monbulk 769)
now if we can also retain 2 close ones Eltham 225 lead and Ballarat East 388 , then its 54/43 , and a by election away from a new electon
Gus
now i know you talk from ears
[blackburnpsephPosted Monday, November 29, 2010 at 12:07 am | PermalinkRon
It is possible that the Greens will be the second placegetters in some safe Liberal seats in Sydney and Melbourne – the Greens did come second in some seats in the 2007 NSW election, but it will be a long second. I don’t think the Greens can supersede the ALP because the Greens are too sectional – they are not a broad church (to use the hackneyed phrase) – they have a certain appeal but it is not wide enough to win votes because as certain of their policies have a big turn off value for lots of people. I don’t think the ‘holier than thou’ and preachiness help either. I think yesterday they hit a wall, and I don’t think they have realised it yet.
]
Hear Hear.
Colin Barnett created uproar when he suggested Air Conditioners are a luxury item – and rightly so.
Now if The Grerens tomorrow released a policy where as air-conditioner use would be charged a much higher tarif than say a washing machie – you can be rest assured that in outer suburbia where it is hot the the votes could well be counted on one hand.
Ron,
Just a heartbeat eh! 😉
Ron
you started this
🙁
and sadly I will end it
I give you one last chance!
Blackburn Ps
thanks , I donot disagree with your #1609 ,
it was actualy I was trying to see th philosphical and espec electoral context of your “The competitive Libs vs Greens contest is a long way off.” coment
(which could been taken as i was querying , tho there IS an opposing tho small facton within Greens to that Bob Brown model
Could be an interesting week.
[TODAY marks the beginning of a damaging and embarrassing week for the US with the release of the first tranche in what is tipped to be a seven-day staggered drip-feed of 250000 diplomatic cables by WikiLeaks. ]
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/washington-braces-for-week-of-diplomatic-pain-courtesy-of-wikileaks-20101128-18ccl.html
The Age are calling the Vic result a ‘landslide’ – since when was a majority of 2 or 4 a landslide?
The swing may have been a seismic shift but the result was not a landslide.
[blackburnpsephPosted Monday, November 29, 2010 at 12:21 am | PermalinkThe Age are calling the Vic result a ‘landslide’ – since when was a majority of 2 or 4 a landslide?
The swing may have been a seismic shift but the result was not a landslide.
]
The Age has behaved like The West Australian did with the demise of the Carpenter ALP Govt in Wa in 2008 – they got their man Ted elected so he can play Monoply with Victoria.
Ron
I don’t think in the current or foreseeable electoral environment we will see a situation where there is a competitive contest between the Libs and Greens for at most one or two seats. I had thought that Prahran could be it – a seat which is partly Toorak (heavily liberal voting) and stretches into groovy inner city with a big gay community. It has all the hallmarks of those inner city areas Rod Hagen talked about earlier but it also has a wealthy area to give the Libs electoral ballast. There are also groups in some of these potential seats that the Greens offend and so votes that they may get stay with Labor – the Greens wouldn’t have many friends in the Jewish community because of support for Anti Isreali causes. Otherwise Wentworth or Melbourne Ports would be the candidates.
Also, the Lib vote in lots of these seats seems to have stabilised at around 55% – they are not getting the massive majorities they may have once but they are comfortably safe. Also, it worthwhile remembering that often the most leftwing ALP branches were in safe Liberal seats. Not sure about now as that is the type of support that would have leached off to the Greens.
Frank
The difference between The Age and the WAlian is that the The Age attacked Brumby from the left.
Gus
You must be on th turps tonite or you bought rod Hagens Greens BS ,
you hav no idea what you is talking about in either th Fed or Vic Polls analysis , contacts views nor th politcal game being played by Greens and Labors reaction
Concede, Concede, Concede
Scorp
Actual there is anothr Vic seat in play that Antony computer missed as he shows Essendon with Labor 1859 ahead but VEC says Labor only 626 ahead (and both got same vote numbers
Ron
see my post on the main thread
(52*48)
i truly dont want to engage you in combat
but goddammitt man you are making it inevitable
Ron
Essendon should be paid more attention to as the primary vote preference flows have obviously not gone Justin Maddens way. If the Libs should win Essendon – probably unlikely – it would be a big scalp – only last week Grumpy Greensborough was touting him as a future premier.
[Concede, Concede, Concede]
FO, FO, FO
Blackburn Ps
intesting you mention Prahran , it was a seat I asked for text updates on when still scrutineer working as thought it was a posible Green close loss , given Ted is no Abbott however seems there that combination of wet Libs hav returned stronger than i thought and Bailleau’s put Greens last has consolidated Yes those Jewish seats isa block always a blocker for Greens
Howevr NSW election is a diff test ,and a diff grouping of Liberal leadership teams much more consevative than Ted , and of couse we dont know if they’ll follow Bailleau prefs appraoch either
Gus , I shall not be going anywhere , nor will my views either here or internal
“Mr Hudson said Labor was also looking at an issue regarding Liberal how-to-vote cards during Saturday’s election.”
What does this refer to?
Ron
well then we must reside in different houses
I truly regret that you would align with the fibs- albeit uncomprehendally
🙁
Blackburnpseph
Posted Monday, November 29, 2010 at 12:43 am | Permalink
“Ron
Essendon should be paid more attention to as the primary vote preference flows have obviously not gone Justin Maddens way. If the Libs should win Essendon – probably unlikely – it would be a big scalp ”
yes , that why i brought up Essendon as Antony does not got it as a seat in doubt
however I’m mistifyed about diff pref flows outcomes of Antony vs VEC site as all primary vote no s for all candidates is th same as is total primarys ‘d asumed Antony’s site was taking 2 PP figures from VEC but seems perhaps his progrmme is doing allocation on pre assumptions , that in reality is wrong vs actual VEC pref distribs
James J
Maybe looking for an excuse….?
Gus , now you is back peddaling into nonsense I’m a member of th ALP , not you
I like Adam and GG and Vera (and think Madcril and rocket & others unnnamed I know) know Labor is fighting on 2 fronts , Greens and Libs , and fact that this has been clearly pointed out to you by some of them already today shows you dont get reality on th ground Labor is deeling with nor contacts internal knowing
Ron
In NSW the tempation to a preference against a deputy premier in Marrickville might too strong and would take out a major leadership contender.
Also, the Libs have it easier in NSW where there is optional preferencing so they don’t have to do anything at all except make mischief.
If the Greens preference the ALP in NSW, the Libs can run a campaign on the lines “how can you take these guys seriously when they are preferencing these other turkeys”.
Blue Mountains could be a possble Libs vs Greens contest in NSW – in the Penrith by election, the ALP were forced into 4th place in some Lower Blue Mtns booths and the upper Mountains are much greener.
Ron
glad you afre a member
as AAMOI do you help or are engaged in re-election campaigns- cos i suspect you aint
ps NSW is a must win to the TRUE BELIVERS– but spin me some antigreeen shite for fun
🙂
TruthHurts
concede you say , no not till all votes counted
last nite I did say if Balleau has won then i congrats him but there is is kleading in Eltham 225 lead and Ballarat East 388lead and Essendon (per VEC not antony) with 626 lead We may win them all
there’s quite MORE prob wins in another 4 , Albert Pk , Ballarat East & Narre Nth with over 1000 lead and monbulk 769)
that gets us to 43
Bentleigh , youse lead by 424 , but only 83% of count
Bad news for you is if we (unlike;y) do win it , we is th winner !
so no concede yet till all votes counted , but if you win then ok congrat to you Libs
on 2nd thoughts if we win bentleigh as well , we both win , its then a damn tie ,
but it beats th hell out of losing
Gus
yes I am a member of th ALP , i take it you aint
A i involved in campaiugns you ask , that reely is a silly Q , you dont get th new paradim politcal game in town despite many here so explain but Labor does
Ron
considering my interest is both financial and personal
VIC FARQED UP BADLY
COS YOU AIMED LOW AND MISSED THE CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER
but continue to bag the greens
I may end up laying off on the fibs in NSW
[GusfacePosted Monday, November 29, 2010 at 1:18 am | PermalinkRon
considering my interest is both financial and personal
VIC FARQED UP BADLY
COS YOU AIMED LOW AND MISSED THE CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER
but continue to bag the greens
I may end up laying off on the fibs in NSW
]
Gus the preservative 220 is affecting your thought patterns.
The Greens want power in the lower house – at ANY cost.
and that includes screwing over the ALP by pretending to be their friends.
and you have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.
[“Mr Hudson said Labor was also looking at an issue regarding Liberal how-to-vote cards during Saturday’s election.”
What does this refer to?]
Who cares, sounds like a bad case of sour grapes and sore losers.
Labor seem defiant not to concede defeat when they have clearly LOST.
[Concede, Concede, Concede]
Concessions don’t matter. Hard numbers do. If I ran a political party, it could win a majority of seats. Even if I conceded on election night, I’d still win govt.
The Bartlett govt in Tas can testify to how non-binding and weightless a concession is.
Frank
we are in the most marginal of seats
btw how did the feds retain robbo and dobbo
clue
IT STARTS WITH G
Blackburn Ps
“Also, the Libs have it easier in NSW where there is optional preferencing so they don’t have to do anything at all except make mischief.”
yes that quite true , jho thought Howard’s continued behind scenes dables and his expressed recent views on Greens may be an influense disincentive is Tebbutt who has a history as well , and they dont need to make “a stand’ forthere brand in NSW as resultmay be biggest ALP loss in any State/Fed history , frightening how bad it could be but thats what hqappens with fixed terms and a govt overs taying badly at end of first mth into a 4 yr term Blue Mts is an interesting area politcally
certainly I think NSW Lib Govt and a Vic one philosohically will b diff
[GusfacePosted Monday, November 29, 2010 at 1:25 am | PermalinkFrank
we are in the most marginal of seats
btw how did the feds retain robbo and dobbo
clue
IT STARTS WITH G
]
Meanwhile in Hasluck Why did Ken Wyatt win ??
It also starts with a G 🙂
Frank Calabrese
Posted Monday, November 29, 2010 at 1:23 am | Permalink
‘I may end up laying off on the fibs in NSW ‘
“Gus the preservative 220 is affecting your thought patterns.
The Greens want power in the lower house – at ANY cost.
and that includes screwing over the ALP by pretending to be their friends.
and you have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.”
yes he has Frank ,
or he is well into a good red or unfortunate bought rod’s beutiful wordy nuancing spin hook lines of quote
“and that, for me at least, is far more important than whether one party of the left or the other (Labor or Greens) holds this seat or that. ”
[Bentleigh , youse lead by 424 , but only 83% of count]
Final weight last time was 94%. Could be 3900 valid votes to go.
Frank
well get out there and sew up the undecideds
I did – and we kept robbo and dobell
AGAINST EVERY BASTARDS PREDICTION
[maybe a lesson there]
[1648 GusfacePosted Monday, November 29, 2010 at 1:32 am | PermalinkFrank
well get out there and sew up the undecideds
I did – and we kept robbo and dobell
AGAINST EVERY BASTARDS PREDICTION
maybe a lesson there
]
Um, I’m in Pearce if the Greens were dinkum about Helping the ALP in Hasluck they would’ve preferenced Sharryn Jackson – but the black sisterhood preferencing each other gave us Ken Wyatt.
Interestingly Sharryn preferenced the other indigenous candidate Dot Henry, and not the Greens candidate, who she put 3rd – I wonder why ?? 🙂
Frank
stuff wa and vic
NSW is the only game in town