No Morgan poll on voting intention this week, although they do have a survey of 687 respondents on carbon emissions trading schemes. Apart from that:
• Paul Henderson’s Labor government has survived today’s no-confidence debate in the Northern Territory parliament, disappointing those hoping for a precedent-setting no-confidence motion and possibly an election to tide them over until the double whammy in South Australia and Tasmania next March. Nelson independent Gerry Wood announced he had reached an agreement to back Labor on confidence supply in the interests of “stable government”. Wood’s decision rendered irrelevant the defection of Macdonnell MP Alison Anderson, who deprived Labor of its one-seat majority and appeared ready to back the Country Liberal Party to bring down the government.
• Margaret May, the long-serving, low-profile Liberal member for the safe Gold Coast seat of McPherson, has announced she will not contest the next election. The Gold Coast News reports she is “battling serious health concerns”. Newspaper reports have been taking for granted that the opening will be of interest to Peter Dutton, who went down to the wire in his outer northern Brisbane seat of Dickson in 2007 and has been further damaged by the redistribution proposal.
• Andrew Clennell of the Sydney Morning Herald reports NSW Liberal leader Barry O’Farrell is being “pressured” to purge parliamentary ranks of dead wood/members standing in the way of his sources’ promotion prospects. Those named are deputy leader and North Shore MP Jillian Skinner, Wakehurst MP Brad Hazzard, Baulkham Hills MP Wayne Merton, Castle Hill MP Michael Richardson and Cronulla MP Malcolm Kerr. Skinner, Hazzard and Merton are named by Clennell as supporters of O’Farrell, who is said to harbour ongoing concerns about the leadership ambitions of Manly MP Michael Baird. Baird and Willoughby MP Gladys Berejiklian are said to be possible successors to Skinner in the deputy’s position.
• The hearing into Liberal National Party candidate Andrea Caltabiano’s challenge against her defeat by Labor’s Steve Kilburn in Chatsworth at the Queensland state election in March has begun, with lawyers to sum up their cases on Monday. The LNP claims to have found enough routine-sounding anomalies to justify overturning Kilburn’s 74-vote win or having a new election declared, although the Electoral Commission of Queensland argues otherwise. Mark Oberhardt of the Courier-Mail reports a judgement is expected next month.
• Shawn O’Brien offers a beginners guide to fixed term reform for federal parliament at Online Opinion.
William, Your New Thread link on the old thread appears to be broken.
William your link to this thread is busted. Two hendo-off-the-hooks 🙂
Astrobleme,
From previous thread
[How do you complain to the ABC?]
http://www.abc.net.au/contact/complaints.htm
Gerry Woods chose the most rational option available to him in the circumstances. Claims to the contrary are ill-informed piffle.
Fixed.
There seems to be a view that the Govt. will amend its RET legislation next week. This will not happen.
The NSWelsh Liberals are terminal, a condition that is however partially masked by the hideously extended undeath of NSWelsh Labor.
Most of them should go, but Skinner is a start. She is David Campbell-standard.
Anyone see NSW Stateline tonight? Very depressing. The worst bit is the absolute certainty that things will not improve when the Libs take over- they have been in deep withdrawal from fat donations for years, and they are desperate to be very nice to developers.
We need a conga-line of Royal Commissions in this state…
RU
Do you have inside info?
[This will not happen.]
It does seem like a waste of effort when they can just push it through it after the CPRS bill is passed in November.
The Govt will “forget” about the 11 CPRS related bills until Nov.
Yes, and imagine the screams of delight from the opposition, greens and msm. it will be a major backdown no less
Woods just gave a solid account of himself and his actions on NT Stateline.
Should be available online sometime.
[Woods just gave a solid account of himself and his actions on NT Stateline.
Should be available online sometime.]
Stateline Transcripts are usually posted either Monday or Tuesday of the follwoing week – they are not considered high in priority by our ABC it seems.
Ru
There will be a lot of comlpaints from renewable energy companies
I was looking at getting solar earlier in the year. I gave “RenewableLogic” my email address to get a quote. They regularly email me giving their position of the Govt’s measures, they’re quite adamant they need the RET passed. As did the guy on QandA last night. I think the public sympathy will be with the renewable companies, being that they’re ‘small business’ trying to make it in a ‘big bad world’, trying to save us from ‘catastrophic climate change’ etc.
Do you think it’s worth not passing it?
NT Stateline follows up with vox pop on political dramas.
Now Henderson is having his say.
Thanks, Frank.
Is it just me, or is there something strangely sluggish about this thread? It takes ages to fully load.
And all the avatars just vanished!
What the hell…
[Is it just me, or is there something strangely sluggish about this thread? It takes ages to fully load.
And all the avatars just vanished!
What the hell…]
The Web for me today has ben rather sluggish, I’m on Bigpond, but there has been some bad weather here in Perth, so I blame water in the pits 🙂
It’s alright, back to normal now. It seemed to be something to do with gravatar.com…
Astro
The Govt. is introducing legislation they consider is the best way for all of the country (many may disagree – but that is not the point).
They began the process from opposition, setting up Garnaut. They have “consulted” with most sectors of the economy. You have to understand Rudd, despite what some say, he is looking 5-10 years ahead.
He believes the policies that have been crafted are the best way to go – he will not be distracted by noisy lobby groups.
The only way to sway the Govt. is to come up with superior policy. By this I do not mean variations in targets, caps etc. But mechanisms.
Site loading okay for me. But net has been a bit slow today.
Ru
I can understand the bureaucratic reasons.
However the only change they’d need to make is to uncouple the RET from the CPRS. It shouldn’t really be that big a deal, the RET was always going to start first anyway.
Do you think it’s a good look?
“despite what some say, he is looking 5-10 years ahead”
rua, the Greens want anything and everything to do with the environment done their way, and they want it done now.
The Greens will never be anything more than just a loud minority protest group, with no real vision, no professionalism and no economic responsibility.
It is easy to say uncouple the RET from the CPRS but they are like siamese twins. They share some organs and blood supplies.
It would be easy to think its easy, just cut the twins apart. Forgetting that it may result in the demise of one, if not both of the twins.
[There will be a lot of comlpaints from renewable energy companies]
All complaints will be dealt with when the Greens/Liberal alliance meets to pass the bills in November.
ruawake
They can be recoupled when the ETS is passed.
Wong hasn’t produced a single business group to back up her contention that business wanted them coupled. Until she does, it is a very bad look.
Kersebleptes
[So the whole issue of euthanasia does not apply if the individual in question cannot feed themselves? Or if any ongoing medical treatment is keeping them alive?
But only if they are willing to put up with whatever cessation of treatment dishes out to them…]
We are allowed to withdraw treatment, such as gastric feeding, oxygen etc but we can’t actively intervene eg give a barbiturate to end a life.
[All complaints will be dealt with when the Greens/Liberal alliance meets to pass the bills in November.]
And don’t the Space Cadets hate that term 🙂 But St Bob of Tree Huggers has created this monster all on his own.
What is that sying – you reap what you sow 🙂
[They can be recoupled when the ETS is passed. ]
So it would just be a temporary measure to appease ???
Why should the CPRS and RET be separated?
[So it would just be a temporary measure to appease ???]
Similar to handing over bags of cash to kidnappers apparently.
Ru
It would be to actually start doing something about AGW
Centre
They are already separate. The Govt made parts of the RET conditional on the CPRS.
Pass the CPRS and you have the RET as a bonus, Astro.
The RET wil be passed in November when Turnbull does his humiliating backdown on the CPRS. Three months won’t bring the world to an end.
Here is the detail so we can stop the partisan speculation:
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/billsdgs/JGYT6/upload_binary/jgyt63.pdf;fileType%3Dapplication%2Fpdf#search=%22r4142%22
“Linking the RET Scheme with the passage of the CPRS legislation
The Bill is legally linked with the CPRS legislation in the sense that commencement of Schedule 2 of the Bill is dependent on the passage of the Carbon Reduction Pollution Scheme Bill 2009.33 Schedule 2 is a key part of this Bill, as it provides a partial exemption from liability from paying any shortfall charge (which arises is an entity has not bought sufficient electricity from renewable sources) for ‘emissions-intensive trade-exposed’ activities.”
I’m sure the Greens will get inundated with complaints from Renewable Energy businesses between now and November.
Psephos
That’s rather cruel to the Solar PV companies. Remember the Govt stopped the rebate because it was going to be replaced by the RECs. Now they’ll delay the RECs just to destroy Turnbull… Very sad and cynical.
[Why should the CPRS and RET be separated?]
They were separated until someone had the brainwave of coupling them.
If they are separated, the RET can be passed quickly as it due to start next year. It would give the go-ahead to investment in RE and create jobs.
Who knows when the CRPS will be passed. If it’s not usable as a DD trigger and Truffles calls Rudd’s bluff, we would have to wait until Nov next year for an election and then wait again for the RET-CRPS to be voted on, ie the RET wouldn’t start for at least 18 months.
Which would be 18 months lost.
33
#Exactly,deal done and then that’s that
Why is it so hard for some to see? 😕
DO posters here really prefer the use of Legislation as a political weapon rather than to actually achieve something for the Country?
[It would give the go-ahead to investment in RE and create jobs.]
Exactly the result we would have had had the bills been passed yesterday, Diogenes.
steve
[I’m sure the Greens will get inundated with complaints from Renewable Energy businesses between now and November.]
No they won’t. The RE companies want as high a target as possible to make carbon more expensive which would make them competitive.
Psephos
[The RET wil be passed in November when Turnbull does his humiliating backdown on the CPRS. Three months won’t bring the world to an end.]
That’s true but it might not happen. If it doesn’t and there is no DD, we’re in for a LONG wait.
re 31.
Call me Sky 😆 😆 😆
[That’s rather cruel to the Solar PV companies. Remember the Govt stopped the rebate because it was going to be replaced by the RECs. Now they’ll delay the RECs just to destroy Turnbull… Very sad and cynical.]
We’re not delaying anything. Every Labor member and Senator voted for the RET. Take your complaints to those who defeated it. I’m sure the solar PV companies will.
Steve
But it can pass if the Govt de-couples it. It is the Govt who is preventing this from happening.
[Why is it so hard for some to see?]
Because they don’t want to see? Because the are desperate to have some sort of legislative outcome that doesn’t reveal how irrelevant or cowardly they are?
Psephos
There ha been no vote on the RET, your claim is false.
Astrobleme, in regards to not having the RET passed being a bad look, (and without wishing to kick off a Greens/ALP bunfight) history isn’t going to record the government voting against it. You need to remember that Joe the voter doesn’t follow the specifics of politics, they just judge parties on the results they achieve.
Tom
[We’re not delaying anything. Every Labor member and Senator voted for the RET. Take your complaints to those who defeated it. I’m sure the solar PV companies will.]
In particular Senators Brown, Milne, Ludlam, Siewert and Hanson-Young 🙂
Tom
The RET hasn’t passed the lower house yet. No one has voted on it.
Frank
There hasn’t been a vote on the RET yet.