Newspoll 56-44; ACNielsen 58-42; Galaxy 56-44

An unprecedented triple whammy of opinion polls is disastrous enough for the Coalition to lend force to Dennis Shanahan‘s assertion that “Malcolm Turnbull’s political career has been smashed in just one week”. In turn:

• Arriving a day earlier than usual, Newspoll shows that the Coalition recovery detected a fortnight ago has come to a sudden end, with Labor’s lead back out from 53-47 to 56-44. The parties have also exchanged three points on the primary vote, Labor up to 44 per cent and the Coalition down to 37 per cent. However, the real shock is that Turnbull’s personal ratings have suffered what Shanahan calls “the single biggest fall in the survey’s 25-year history”: his approval rating has plunged from 44 per cent to 25 per cent, while his disapproval is up from 37 per cent to 58 per cent. Fifty-two per cent do not believe that John Grant received preferential treatment from the Prime Minister against only 24 per cent who do. Kevin Rudd’s lead as preferred prime minister is up from 57-25 to 65-18.

ACNielsen, which is hopefully back to monthly polling as we enter the second half of the term, has Labor’s two-party lead up from 53-47 to 58-42. Labor’s primary vote is up two points to 46 per cent while the Coalition’s is down six to 37 per cent. Fifty-three per cent say the OzCar affair has left them with a less favourable impression of Malcolm Turnbull, whose approval is down 11 points to 32 per cent with his disapproval has shot up 13 points to 60 per cent. Turnbull comes third as preferred Liberal leader with 18 per cent, behind Peter Costello on 37 per cent and Joe Hockey on 21 per cent. Rudd’s lead as preferred prime minister is up from 64-28 to 66-25, and his approval rating is up three points to 67 per cent.

Galaxy has Labor’s primary vote up a point to 44 per cent and the Coalition’s down two to 30 per cent. Sixty-one per cent believe Kevin Rudd has been open and honest about the OzCar affair, while 51 per cent “believed Mr Turnbull had been dishonest or somewhat deceitful”.

Once again, Victoria dominates the latest round of electoral news:

• The Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters has tabled two major reports which I haven’t got round to sinking my teeth into: the regular conduct of the federal election report, and that into the Commwealth Electoral (Above-the-Line Voting) Amendment Bill 2008.

Rick Wallace of The Australian reports that complicated quarreling in the Victorian ALP has thrown up “rogue challengers” against at least ten state MPs. Keilor MP George Seitz, who faces enforced retirement in the wake of the Victorian Ombudsman’s report into Brimbank City Council, is said to be largely reponsible: Andrew Landeryou at VexNews identifies his state nominees as Tomislav Tomic (against Bundoora MP Colin Brooks), Seeralan Arumugam Gunaratnam (Carrum MP Jenny Lindell), Raymond Congreve (Lara MP John Eren), Rosa Mitrevski (Mill Park MP Lily D’Ambrosio), Philip Cassar (Mordialloc MP Janice Munt), Teodoro Tuason (Narre Warren North MP Luke Donnellan), Teresa Kiselis and Mate Barun (both taking on Northcote MP Fiona Richardson), Josefina Agustin (Prahran MP Tony Lupton), and Blagoja Bozinovski (Thomastown MP Peter Batchelor). For good measure, Seitz candidate Manfred Kriechbaum is taking on federal MP Maria Vamvakinou in Calwell. Other challengers are explained by Wallace in terms the “stability pact” forged between the Left and the Right forces associated with Bill Shorten and Steven Conroy, and counter-moves by rival Right unions seeking to forge ties with some of the more militant unions of the Left. This presumably accounts for Australian Manufacturing Workers Union candidate Andrew Richards joining the aforementioned Kriechbaum in a three-horse race against Vamvakinou in Calwell, Lisa Zanatta of the Construction Mining Forestry and Energy Union challenging Lynne Kosky in Altona, and Kathleen Matthews-Ward of the Shop Distributive and Allied Employees Association joining the Seitz challengers to Fiona Richardson in Northcote. The option of referring preselections to the party’s national executive remains available to John Brumby, who must be sorely tempted.

• Other challenges appear more obscure. A third Labor Unity candidate, Rick Garotti, is listed as a nominee against incumbent Craig Langdon in Ivanoe, in addition to the previously discussed Anthony Carbines. In Preston, Labor Unity MP Robin Scott is being challenged by Moreland councillor Anthony Helou (once of the Socialist Left, but more recently of Labor Unity) and Tamer Kairouz, said by Landeryou to be backed by upper house MP Nazih Elasmar, a principal of a Right sub-faction also linked with Theo Theophanous (not sure if any relation to Kororoit MP Marlene Kairouz). Two Socialist Left members are under challenge from factional colleagues, which Andrew Landeryou suggests can be put down to dealings between the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union and unions on the Right: Yuroke MP Liz Beattie faces a challenge from Colleen Gibbs, an official with the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union, while Darebin councillor Timothy Laurence has nominated against Steve Herbert in Eltham. Andrew Lappos, who in the past has been associated with the Left, is listed as a challenger to the Right’s Telmo Languiller in Derrimut, but it was reported last week that Languiller’s preselection had been secured by the national executive.

• The preselection contest for Brunswick has taken on new significance with the news that Phil Cleary will contest the seat as an independent. Cleary defeated the Labor candidate in the federal seat of Wills in the 1992 by-election that followed Bob Hawke’s retirement and was narrowly re-elected in 1993, before losing to Labor’s Kelvin Thomson in 1996. He has more recently worked for the Electrical Trades Union, which under the leadership of Dean Mighell has disaffiliated with the ALP and given support to the Greens. Three candidates are listed for Labor preselection, each a colleague of outgoing member Carlo Carli in the Socialist Left: Jane Garrett, Slater and Gordon lawyer and former adviser to Steve Bracks; Enver Erdogan, 23-year-old Moreland councillor and staffer to House of Represenatatives Speaker Harry Jenkins, said to be aligned with the Kim Carr sub-faction; and Alice Pryor, also a Moreland councillor, aligned with the rival Left sub-faction associated with federal Bruce MP Alan Griffin. Former party state secretary Eric Locke has proved a non-starter; Andrew Landeryou reports he has withdrawn in favour of Garrett, who would appear to be the front-runner. According to David Rood of The Age, Garrett also has the backing of John Brumby.

• Andrew Landeryou further reports that National Union of Workers state secretary Antony Thow has been “elected unopposed” for the third position on Labor’s Victorian Senate ticket. If that means what it appears to, it’s a significant story the mainstream media appears to have ignored, as Labor would seem very likely on current form to repeat its 2007 election feat of winning a third seat.

• The Moonee Valley Community News reports it is “not expected” that Victorian Planning Minister Justin Madden will be opposed in the Labor preselection for Essendon, to which the party has assigned him so sitting member South Eastern Metropolitan MLC Bob Smith can be given a safer seat in Western Metropolitan. Mark Kennedy, a former mayor of Moonee Valley, was earlier reported to have ambitions to replace the retiring Judy Maddigan.

• Federal Liberal MP Chris Pearce has announced he will not seek re-election in his Melbourne seat of Aston. Pearce gave his party a morale-boosting by-election win in the seat in July 2001, limiting the Labor swing to 3.7 per cent – which has since stood as exhibit A in the case that the Howard government’s re-election the following November could not entirely be put down to the subsequent Tampa episode and September 11. He was closely associated throughout his time in politics with Peter Costello, and the fact and timing of his departure have inevitably been linked to Costello’s shock announcement early last week. No discussion yet that I’m aware of as to who might replace him. Dennis Shanahan of The Australian reports that “another swathe of resignations” from federal Liberals is expected when New South Wales and Queensland redistributions are finalised early next year, although no names are named.

• The ABC reports that three Western Australian state Labor MPs, headed by the factionally unaligned Alannah MacTiernan, have moved at state conference for preselection reforms allowing “compulsory secret ballots for preselections, with delegates completing their own papers”.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. [Cannabis can be relatively harmless for many people, but induce severe psychotic episodes in others.]

    Can you provide any credible – peer reviewed – paper to support this assertion?

    There are many that say this may be correct – but always with the caveat that people with psychotic behaviour are more likely to use drugs.

  2. For those that have facebook I highly recomend that you join the group “Steve Fielding is not real”:
    [A magnificent letter written in The Age on 25 June 2009 says it all:

    “STEVE Fielding has declared that global warming isn’t real. That’s his prerogative; he can believe whatever he wants, regardless of the evidence.

    I, in my turn, have decided to declare that Steve Fielding isn’t real. After all, I have never been presented with any documentary evidence that he exists, I’ve never personally encountered Steve Fielding and it is much more convenient for my political and social beliefs for him not to exist.

    I invite others to take up this cause and overcome the so-called consensus view that Fielding is real or that he has any effect on things whatsoever.”

    We declare that, given that the Senator is willing to endanger our safe climate future by choosing what to believe, we choose not to believe in him.

    This means that we will not vote for him in 2010, because even though his name will appear on the ballot paper, we know the truth: that he does not really exist.

    Tell all your friends the truth – the Senator is not really there! – and get them to join this group. News about other truths to spread, and projects to get involved in, will come through this group too.]
    The scientific community is divided on the proported existence of any Senator Fielding. A growing number of scientists are questioning the so-called “evidence” (sic) that there is a Fielding. Many top scientists believe that supposed sightings of Fielding can be explained by sunspots and cosmic rays leaving frootloop shaped blotches in the eye and that hysteria over Fielding is totally irrational as he is false. Furthermore it is far more politically conveniant if he did not exist – therefore he does not. Don’t be fooled by the psudo-scientisific conspirators that seek to profit from the exist of a Fielding for there is no such thing as Steve Fielding. I repeat Steve Fielding is not real!

  3. fredn, your terminology betrays your ideology.

    Now that is a non statement if I ever saw one; how do you plan on keeping your glorious home land, pure? How do you plan on forcing those that don’t want to go, to go?

  4. [There are many that say this may be correct – but always with the caveat that people with psychotic behaviour are more likely to use drugs.]
    The precise form of psychosis induced by cannabis consumption is different from other sorts, hence the conclusion that it is caused by the effect of the drug.

    I think the fact tax payers fork out $3 billion a year on hospital costs associated with cannabis consumption is very serious. I don’t see how legalising cannabis will make those costs go down.

  5. Cannabis has a terrible effect on me so I don’t touch the stuff but others – even close relatives of mine – can smoke with no adverse effects. The governments anti-drug campaign is very well worded because it is true – “Drugs: you don’t know what it will do to you”.

  6. [The governments anti-drug campaign is very well worded because it is true – “Drugs: you don’t know what it will do to you”.]
    Which was my original point, Government’s can’t say that some drugs are fine, and others really bad, when there is no way to know how different drugs will effect different people. There is no such thing as a “sit in circles singing songs” drug.

  7. ShowsOn
    Posted Thursday, July 2, 2009 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    I think the fact tax payers fork out $3 billion a year on hospital costs associated with cannabis consumption is very serious. I don’t see how legalising cannabis will make those costs go down.

    Probable won’t, but you can tax the stuff and recover the cost.

  8. St Bob of the Greens is displaying rannk hypocrisy and double standards again in ligght of recent events in regards to his “Financial Crisis”. 🙂

    [Greens leader Bob Brown says travel taken by MPs after they have retired should only be paid for by taxpayers if it is in the public interest.

    The Greens are calling for the Gold Pass travel scheme for former parliamentarians to be reviewed by an independent arbiter.

    The scheme allows MPs who qualified before 1994 unrestricted domestic travel, while those who qualified after that date can take 25 return trips a year.

    More than $8 million has been spent on those flights over the past seven years.

    Senator Brown says there must be more restrictions on the travel entitlements.

    “If it’s not in the public interest and can’t be shown to be in the public interest, then the travel should be paid for by the MP concerned,” he said.

    “They’re on retirement benefits way above that of the average person in the electorate. We don’t extend free holiday travel to pensioners, we shouldn’t extend it to ex-MPs.

    “It is not on for ex-MPs, including ex-prime ministers, to be having holidays at public expense when they are already on very generous pension or superannuation allowances.”

    Senator Brown does not buy into the argument that politicians deserve the travel perks because they do work that not many people in the ordinary community do.

    “Politicians do get very generous travel allowances but we are talking here about retired politicians, retirees,” he said.

    “Now there are cases where they will be doing some things – speaking at an event or contributing to an event in the public interest. But what we are talking about here is extended holidays to Hamilton Island and elsewhere with spouses.

    “That absolutely should be on the ex-politician’s own expense. After all, the superannuation entitlements allow ex-ministers retirement benefits of more than $100,000 a year, and some of these travel allowances have been taken to the point where they are way, way above what a pensioner would get in total annual income and that needs to be justified.”]

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/02/2615059.htm

  9. [The precise form of psychosis induced by cannabis consumption is different from other sorts, hence the conclusion that it is caused by the effect of the drug.]

    Er can you back this up with a single fact? 😛

  10. [Probable won’t, but you can tax the stuff and recover the cost.]
    Rubbish. Our experience with tobacco demonstrates that total costs far exceed whatever taxes you can raise. The only way to close that gap is to increase taxes to lower consumption, which is exactly what a ban does!

    That 5 year old report shows that taxes recover 10% of the costs of tobacco.

  11. Its a good idea to legalize cannabis – done properly it can be very good for social progress. We should do what the Canadians did with booze:
    There should be government owned stores where cannabis can be bought – with a maximum amount allowed per week. Before you can buy you must first pass a very simple test or licence that shows that you are aware of the health dangers. Just as tobacco is legal but blackmarket tobacco is illegal so to would illegally grown and untaxed cannabis be illegal. Infact illegal trading punishments should be increased so the trade is wiped out seeing as the product can be bought legally – just as there is very little illegal trading of booze and tobacco. Organized crime would be undermined since the government would have a monopoly on trade. This would also be excellent for tax revenue but would also lower consumption and make the trade above board.

  12. [And then can I ask you to never, ever use the term “Mongoloid” again, unless you are a palaeontologist, and even then it is not really the done thing.]

    #1445 – What term should I have used? Please explain.

    [The term “Mongoloid” (or Oriental) is a racial category used to describe people of East Asia and Southeast Asian origin. Its use originated from a variation of the word “Mongol”, a people who are considered one of the main proto-populations for the race. The classification is primarily useful when studying human prehistory, and in forensic analysis of human remains, in which “Mongoloid” denotes a particular racial skull type.

    It is one of the three “great races”, each of which were subdivided into various racial subtypes. The other two being Europid and Negroid.]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid_race

    [You will find evidence for your assertions there. ]

    Not assertion, but first hand observation.

  13. [This would also be excellent for tax revenue but would also lower consumption and make the trade above board.]
    How would making it legal lower consumption?

  14. Shows

    How about this?

    [Understanding of the neurophysiological basis of cognitive, behavioural and perceptual disturbances associated with long-term cannabis use has grown dramatically. Exogenous cannabinoids alter the normative functioning of the endogenous cannabinoid system. This system is an important regulator of neurotransmission. Recent research has demonstrated abnormalities of the cannabinoid system in schizophrenia.]

    Centre for Brain and Mental Health Research, University of Newcastle, Hunter New England Mental Health Service, Newcastle, NSW, Australia.

    Get it?

  15. I for one love my plan and to the best of my knowledge think its rather original except for Canada – i may have to lobby the relevant minister.

    Also over the Tasman in NZ they briefly legalized an emphetamine very closely chemically related to extasy but much weaker (although everyone took far more than their recomended dose). I got some over there from a mainstreet shop and loved it – just about circum-navigated christchurch on foot, going all night! You know its pure. How many people died or were severly injured due its availability before the religious Right got it banned again? Not One!

  16. Fins, I think marktwain jumped in without following the posts leading up to the Mongoloid one and didn’t read it properly. Thought you were referring to “downs syndrome” people not a racial demographic!

  17. This from David Speers twitter -anyone see or hear this?
    [David_Speers Rudd’s hit back after Hartigan’s comments…ouch! He’s accused News of “journalistic retaliation” and getting Utegate “fundamentally wrong”]

  18. Showon
    At the moment we have 3billion in health costs ( 0.33% seems reasonable) , an unknown enforcement cost, drug squads that seem to be regularly busted for corruption, no official contact with users and no cost recovery. It might be tradition but it really isn’t that clever.

  19. [How would making it legal lower consumption?]
    Did you read my post? Firstly there is the price signal from the highly taxed monopoly supplier. Secondly there is a strong limit impossed on the size of purchesses – not enough for you to hand it out to minors (in this case those under 21 because it can slow brain growth and thats when brain growth completes) and have enough for yourself. Besides that, it would have other functions besides lowering consuption – undermining organized crime and as tax revenue.
    Besides I am not suggesting that the trade of cannabis as it currently exists should be legalized – no one would have the right to trade in it besides the government. Furthermore if the cops catch you smoking it (which would still not be allowed in public places by the way) and you don’t have your receipt on you then you get a massive fine (Victorian Goldfields stile). Combined together these methods will lower consumption.

    [run up 10 year trail with tobacco first.]
    Sounds good but the tobacco lobby is a lot more powerful than the almost non-existent cannabis lobby.

  20. I say:
    [Sounds good but the tobacco lobby is a lot more powerful than the almost non-existent cannabis lobby.]
    However the anti-cannabis lobby is more powerful than the tobacco lobby so perhaps that is a more realistic aim.

  21. Hannaha’s dad over at LP has a post quoting our very own Psephos. It fits in very well with my post @ 1261 which was stuck in moderation for enough time for the discussion to move on. I think this needs a solid dissection and discussion by “ALL” concerned bloggers and if we don’t make sa stand on this then the Murdoch media will gain control of the political direction of this country.

    [I haven’t heard what Rudd and Gillard said but if it is true [that’s just caution on my part] that they have criticised Ltd News then that is a momentous occasion in Aust. politics.
    Over at Poll Bludger Psephos has stated repeatedly that the first rule of Aust. politics is not to annoy Rupert [or words to that effect].
    If 2 of the most calculating politicians in the country see fit to deliberately break that rule then we have reached a watershed where the previously unquestioned power of Ltd News has been openly questioned and is in their normally astute judgment able to be treated with the [lack of] respect it deserves.

    And about time too.]

    http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/01/rudd-and-gillard-attack-news-limited-hartigan-punches-back/#more-8710

  22. I also say:
    [Furthermore if the cops catch you smoking it (which would still not be allowed in public places by the way) and you don’t have your receipt on you then you get a massive fine (Victorian Goldfields stile)]
    Perhaps you should also be forced to carry your licence: which would be very easy to get – about as challenging as the Learner’s Permit test. But the licence scheme would prevent people that don’t have a licence from going out smoking on a whim. It would also mean that the government has every user on record in their databases: as a further discouragment perhaps licence and purches records could be handed over to private insurance companies.

  23. dyno 2 1458

    The text says

    [Left click here to listen to Leigh Sales, or right click to download]

    Can you really download Leigh?

  24. Wow

    The segue from indigene rights to substance abuse to legalisation issues has been great.

    Adrian and hugo, thanks for some fresh insight, most barks here are worst than their bites.

  25. [Wasn’t he between two rocks and a hard place?]
    “He” doesn’t exist so in fantasy land he can be stuck nestled between as many rock hard things as he likes!

  26. The Heysen Molotov

    Maybe people want to ban breast milk, it contains cannibinoids – to promote baby munchies. 😉

  27. How anyone can read or view Hartigan’s rantings at the National Press Club, to an audience of mostly News Ltd hacks, attacking alternative media such as he has, and not feel that they need to stand up against this type of censure by a media organisation that controls 50 major media outlets in Australia alone, bothers me greatly.

    [Hartigan’s diatribe, portentously entitled “The Future of Journalism”, is not a response to a criticism of News by the government, should the apparent assimilation in the lead in this thread is taken as that.

    Rather it is a rabid and desperately defensive attack on web journalism and all its ilk.

    I can see where Hartigan is coming from – he is grieving the loss of the rapidly diminishing political clout. Yes, there is a loss of revenue too, although he claims in the address that in Ostrelia it is nothing like in the UK and the US, and that the antipodean office of the firm is going great guns. (Just watch what happens when the fibreoptic to the door arrives, Johnny).

    But clearly more than anything, Hartigan’s address revealed his, and his boss’s, anxieties about the inroads made by the Net. So Crikey, and blogs such as this are in the crosshairs, clearly seen as burglars stealing from the master’s table, stealing the political clout, and devaluing its currency by giving it away and worse still, allowing commentators without a warrant from Rupert a free go at the levers of public opinion. What a bloody outrage, eh?

    His language reveals his anxiety – he likens blogs as dens of iniquity and their purveyors as criminals: a blogsite he won’t name matches the “identikit” picture drawn by Morlock lieutenant Robert Thomson, who said “blogs and comment sites are basically editorial echo chambers rather than centres of creation. And their cynicism about so-called traditional media is only matched by their opportunism in exploiting it.”

    Thomson, who is WSJ’s Australian-born editor and Morlock’s bum person has been at the forefront of the Canutean wave-beating exercise for a while, likened Google to a parasite, and a tech taperworm. Thus Hartigan quoting Thomson as an authority on the subject of web journalism and blogging is most revealing, especially about where the orders are coming from, how Rupe feels about it (was the word “echo-chamber a Freudian slip?) and the fact they are all shitting themselves down in the bunker.

    Finally, note this from Hartigan: “In May, almost 600,000 recipes were printed by readers. Not just downloaded, printed. Since January, 6 million recipes have been printed from the site. Incredibly, this tells us what Australia has for dinner, on what nights of the week. Pumpkin soup is very big on Tuesdays. This is an incredibly powerful proposition to take to an advertiser. ”

    Yes, incredibly, he is boasting that News Limited puts out recipes for the punters online, like some bit of cheese in a moustrap, all the while so it can put in spying cookies and other logging software inside the readers’ computers to check if News’s tastecom.au online readers are printing out recipes so it can then log the details and use the info to flog to advertisers. Mmmm, yummy.

    It is good to know what the enemy is thinking and what they fear – us.]

    http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/01/rudd-and-gillard-attack-news-limited-hartigan-punches-back/#more-8710

  28. [it would lower illegal consumption…]
    Who cares. It is total consumption that needs to be lowered, else it will just add an even greater burden to tax payers forking out money for hospital bills.
    [Exogenous cannabinoids alter the normative functioning of the endogenous cannabinoid system. This system is an important regulator of neurotransmission. Recent research has demonstrated abnormalities of the cannabinoid system in schizophrenia.]
    Wow, so consuming cannabis can cause schizophrenia, that is far worse than what I thought. I certainly don’t think it should be legalised after reading this.
    [Does that mean he is really a rock in between the two rocks? ;D]
    LOL!
    [Showon
    At the moment we have 3billion in health costs ( 0.33% seems reasonable) , ]
    No, it was $3 billion in hospital costs, that doesn’t mean all health costs, but I guess is a big part of it.

  29. [Migration … Facebook users are reportedly white and wealthy while MySpace users are uneducated and obnoxious. ]

    How dare thewy undermine their own service – Myspace is owned by Uncle Rupert and Limited News 🙂 Talk about biting the hand that feeds it.

  30. Of course cannabis is bad for your health – few doubt this really. Its effects on your physical health is rather insignificant but after long-term use in *most* cases it can cause bad mentle health problems. This is something I think both prohibitionists and legalization activists usually agree apon. The question is: Which approach is most effective?
    The American ‘war on drugs’ has been expensive, counter-productive and been exploited for imperialist ends. The figures on incarceration rates in the US are truely shocking and for what? Drug use has not fallen. Wherease as Viggo Pedersen points out a lezzes fair approach in Portugal has lowered deaths and useage. The war on drugs can never be won – the aim must be for HARM MINIMIZATION!
    Likewise the war on terrorism can never be won. How can you have a war on illegal tactics for war? Illegal tactics can be minimized but never stamped out and invading Iraq hardly lowered the use of illegal tactics in war.

  31. Shows

    Surely you are not that silly.

    [Recent research has demonstrated abnormalities of the cannabinoid system in schizophrenia.]

    The cannabinoid system exists in almost all life – the research says that people with schizophrenia have an abnormality in this system. It is this abnormality – not cannabis use that may cause schizophrenia.

    Dill. 😛

  32. [the research says that people with schizophrenia have an abnormality in this system. It is this abnormality – not cannabis use that may cause schizophrenia.]
    How does this prove that cannabis doesn’t cause psychosis?

    The fact some people have this abnormality means we should treat cannabis as a riskier drug than if some people didn’t have such a high risk of psychosis from taking it.
    [Dill. :P]
    Debate the issue, not the person.

  33. [The cannabinoid system exists in almost all life – the research says that people with schizophrenia have an abnormality in this system. It is this abnormality – not cannabis use that may cause schizophrenia.

    Dill. ]

    What about Dill???

    Does it work like pot???

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