A new open thread for discussion of the US presidential election. Barack Obama won easily in Wyoming on Saturday, as he always does in caucuses: on Wednesday our time comes a primary in Mississippi. However, by most observers’ reckoning the last contest of interest is that in Pennsylvania on April 22.
Ron counters the demand that he outline the “racist” remarks made by Wright by simply stating that Wright is extreme left while Falwell is extreme right and that racism is somehow associated with extremism. I don’t know where I’ve come across a more spectacular example of faulty induction. Not only does he base his argument on abstract categories rather than facts, he gets his categories wrong.
JV @ 1118, Ferny, Pancho et al…
‘Isn’t that attitude a bit simplistic and childish, in the style of GWB: “Either you’re with us, or you’re against us.” ?’
Well yes, but when Ron straps on the monocle, slips the jingo juice in the V8 cultural carpetbomber, rolls up the garage door vowing no prisoners will be taken; then ‘anything’ is possible.
Take cricket…a sample…
‘What I then said are many blogers here are happy in live in this great country but still retain a pathetic jealousy of aussies & joyfully denigrate our great aussie sportsmen’
‘Yooz should go back to your crappy country of origin yo jealous Poms Kiwi’s etc or if yooz are from the looney left , you,ve obviously had your full days drug quota already’
‘So pal , piss off back to your crappy country of origin’
And so it goes.
Apologies Ron if that is a different Ron; but the ‘love it or leave it’ essentials are the same for the purposes of this discussion.
Seems there is an addition to everyone’s personal advisory group in the US.
People already have their own:
personal trainer,
personal life coach,
personal psychotherapist.
Now we can add – personal pastor.
Man, what a place!
#1151 I stand corrected – there is the scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail where they measure a woman to see if she weighs the same as a duck because if she is she’ll float and everyone knows that if you throw a witch in the water she floats.
For those blogers who take the time to read this long blog , thank you
Blogers questioned if Reverend Wright expressed racist views:
Obama thought so. In his speech he said:
“they (Wright’s views) expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country
– a view that sees white racism as endemic”
Wright talks of “the BLACK Jesus vilified by the WHITE unbelievers
Wright constantly says: “white Christianity” & the United States of white america
Blogers questioned if Reverend Wright expressed extremist views:
The USA is as bad as Al Quaeda
The government (implied US) injected black people with aids to spread genocide
The US brought 9/11 on themselves
Blogers said Obama stated why he remained in the pastors Church
Yes he did give reasons
But NONE of his reasons were he agreed with the fundamental sermons message
which after all is why the hell he was sitting there.
And what was the fundamental sermons message ?
Pull up not one , but say 50 of them in you tube
IF you go to a Church and hear enough repugnant sermon messages , you should morally and ethically leave. Its a question of values & judgement.
Obama should have done so. IF you think Wright is “ok’ ,then Obama is ‘ok’
My argument with Obama is he made an error of judgment years ago when “starting” his political career and aligning himself then with a Church that is an immensely powerful political base. OK ONLY when you are in State politics
The choice Obama faced was between not just disagreeing with Wright but distancing himself from an ‘uncle’ and in doing so distancing himself from the basic fundamentalism Wright stands for and was also sermon preaching to him and acknowledging an error of judgement
OR retaining a friend , and disagreeing with Wright but not distancing himself from the basic fundamentalism that his friend Wright stands for and was also sermon preaching to him
He could have & should have now acknowledged this error of judgement & worn the political heat. The meaning of his speech’s future race message strenghened
Obama chose the later which short term may be politically safer but long term may be fatal
I can not help feeling that if we take Obama’s speech and substitute Clinton for Obama ..and Falwell for Wright , making Falwell Clinton’s Pastor would we all react the same
New thread up, y’all …